Thursday, November 03, 2011

Should "In God We Trust" Be Official Motto of US?

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Rep. Randy Forbes (R-VA) thinks it should be and sponsored a resolution reaffirming "In God We Trust" as the official motto of the United States.

As the House of Representatives prepared to vote yesterday, he reminded his colleagues that the new Capitol Visitor Center had been "sanitized" with all references to "trusting in God" being eliminated. Only when members of Congress intervened were the deliberate omissions corrected.

He also reminded his colleagues that President Obama, in his speech to the Muslim world last November, had told the Muslim world that the US motto was "E Pluribus Unum". While the Latin message---"from many, one", probably complemented the President's speech to the Muslims, that message is not the motto of the US.

In fact, Forbes said that uncorrected comment is still on the White House website.

President Obama has often compared himself to Abraham Lincoln. A review of the history of Lincoln's time could be helpful.

"In God We Trust" first appeared on US coins during the Civil War in 1864.

It officially became the national motto in 1956, appearing on paper currency the following year.

The vote was taken yesterday afternoon. What was the count? Who voted against it? What did Rep. Forbes tell the other lawmakers after they voted and what did those who voted against it have to say?

CNS News reported late yesterday that the vote was 396 in favor, 9 opposed.

Following the vote, Forbes said, "Today, as in other times of division and difficulty in our nation's history, the House of Representatives again reaffirmed 'In God We Trust' as our official motto and in so doing, provided clarity amidst a cloud of confusion about our nation's spiritual heritage and offered inspiration to an American people that face challenges of historic proportion."

He also said this vote supports and encourages public display in all public buildings, public schools and government institutions.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), one of the 8 Democrats opposing the resolution, defined the secular progressive movement and their obsession to strip God from the heart of this country with his comments.

He called the resolution, "A meaningless distraction from the nation's real problems."

He also said, "No body is threatening the national motto."

Really? The real problem America is facing today is the loss of moral direction. Our problem is spiritual, not political. Or even primarily fiscal. If we could get our beliefs right and our trust in God right, America will truly be blessed. And the elite secularists would likely want to claim the success.

And some feel the President, in his comments to the Muslim world, may have been more calculated than mistaken. If that is true, I would suggest that the motto may well be threatened.

Other Democrats voting against the resolution included Reps. Gary Ackerman (N.Y.), Michael Honda (Calif.), Emanuel Cleaver (Mo.), Judy Chu (Calif.), Fortney Stark (Calif.), Robert Scott (Va.), and Henry Johnson (Ga.).

Republican Rep. Justin Amash (Mich.) also voted no: "Displaying "In God We Trust" on public property is appropriate in some circumstances," Amash said on his Facebook page. But, he added, "There is no need to push for the phrase to be on all federal, state, and local buildings."

That is certainly a different view than our Founding Fathers held.

And certainly different than President Ronald Reagan held.

He said, regarding the Pledge of Allegiance, "If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."

To many Americans put their trust in a man from no where advocating "hope" and "change".

America's future is inseparably linked to our spiritual heritage. May God give us leadership with clarity of where we have come from, so we can have a sense of direction for the future.

Be Vigilant. Be Discerning. Be Prayerful. Be Active. Be Blessed.

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  1. To many Americans put their trust in a man from no where advocating "hope" and "change".

    Really? So, "JUDGEMENTAL".

  2. Judgemental? It's a fact they voted for him. How is that judgemental. That's a fact.

  3. As a lib, I'm actually happy to see this. The American people desperately want congress to do anything to create jobs, and instead we get this silliness.

    It's painfully obvious that the house will do nothing to create jobs if they think it will help Obama get re-elected. So, given that truth, we might as well encourage them to waste time on non-issues and pander to their extreme right wing base.

    Then we can watch the dems take back the house in november.

    Mark in Tigard

  4. Did you know that "In God We Trust" was not on the US Bills until 1957. WOW. So, it hasn't been the "foundation of our nation". Interesting. Church and State - seperate.

  5. So important that we reaffirmed what we already affirmed because House Republicans have had so much time on their hands and they have to do SOMETHING to look busy.

    I think House Republicans should also pass a law making it mandatory for all Americans to answer the phone with "Merry Christmas!"

  6. 12:08 I did know "In God We Trust" was on US bills in 1957 because I read it here a few minutes ago. Thanks Gary. To say trust in God was not an intergal part of the founding of this nation is absurd. Take a walk around the Capitol campus in DC. Our Founders and a generation or two that followed them ingraved their belief and trust in God, the Bible and bible quotes all over the structures in DC and elsewhere. A national trust in God is not some new idea that someone came up with in the 50's. If you think trust in God was not central to our founding, then you must have attended a public school that had successfully revised early American history to support secularism.

  7. Obama's dream for this country must be to make it into something different than it has always been. That must be the change he was talking about. Why won't they correct the web site?

  8. Creating a national motto with "God" in it was so important to our founders that they waited until they had been dead for almost 200 years to do it!

  9. 200 years from the Costitutional Convention would be 1987. Do you believe the buildings in DC were built in 1987? That is scary. You have not read the records of our founding.

  10. 'almost 200', would actually be 1956 when the motto was officially adopted. Thank you.

  11. Who cares about the history of this country. It is time to let go of 1900's and start anew with the 2000's. New era, new religions, new world. We do not live in the dark ages as the bible did when it was written. Come on, they also beleived that the world was flat. haha

  12. Yikes. Relative math. 1787-Constitutional Convention + 200 years = 1987.

  13. 2:49pm

    'almost 200 years' or 'exactly 169 years', expressed either way, we didn't officially adopt a motto with God in it until the founders had been dead a long, long, long time.

  14. 2:49

    Who cares about the history of this country? Ya gotta be kidding me! Willfull ignorance is not bliss.

    Craig in Lacey

  15. The republican congress has written 15 jobs bills and submitted them to the Democratic controlled Senate and they are being ignored. So if they take a little time to review history maybe it is good. By the way, the motto "In God We Trust" is in the second verse of the "Star Spangled Banner" but some are to ignorant to know or care that a nation that forgets why it was conceived will eventually loose its way. If you want to go to the Root of our founding look to the Mayflower Compact but be sure to read a full copy of the original. You do not have to agree with the founding fathers but do not lie to yourselves. When we no longer exist as a nation look in the mirror and thank yourself.

  16. 15 jobs bills
    Ha! Only a few of those bills have anything to do with actual job creation.

    As to the actual topic, the courts have already ruled that the phrase is just ceremonial deism and refers equally to the Diest Creator mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, Allah, Jehovah, Vishnu, Cthulhu, the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

    Again, where are the actual jobs programs? Give a 5 or six examples please...

  17. Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act HR 872
    Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act HR 1230
    Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act HR 1229
    Jobs and Energy Permitting Act HR2021
    North American-Made Energy Security Act HR 1938
    Protecting Jobs from Govt. Interference Act HR 2587
    The EPA Regulatory Relief Act HR 2250
    There are others...

  18. There is no deist creator in the DOI.

    "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our Sacred Honor"

    How can an absent,clockmaker God (deist) protect anybody?

    Just more revisionist history, nice try though.

    Craig in Lacey

  19. How can an absent,clockmaker God (deist) protect anybody?

    By making a perfect universe to begin with. Duh.

    Seriously you are contending that Jefferson, the sole author of the declaration of independence, a self identified Deist, was referring to anything else? Particularly when the Creator was how Deist referred to god?

    Talk about revisionism. The deist Creator made a perfect universe that didn't need tinkering - trumps Jehovah out of the box.

  20. 10:08pm

    OK, let's just start with the first one you list - Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act HR 872.

    It would free pesticide applicators from having to obtain NPDES permits for pesticide applications over or near water.

    Estimates are that it would save each permit applicant about 3 hours of paperwork.

    How exactly would that create jobs?

  21. Yes, that was my point (got the message on my iPhone and spaced replying). Despite the titles most of these bills would just deregulate some industry and one would just have to hope that doing so created some jobs that would be offset by some one else's disaster whether it be environmental, financial, or just some other kind of moral turpitude.

    None of these would create jobs in the quantities needed to have any significant effect.

    What we need to realize is that technology has made many workers unnecessary. GE was just on a program talking about how they were building a new plant that would employ 'hundreds' of workers. When quizzed he admitted it was more like 200 and in decades passed it would have employed thousands.

    We are at a civilization cusp - industry no longer needs to employ as many people as it can produce for and this core premise that it did is what made pure capitalism practical. We have to be deciding how we are going to survive as a people in a world where the rich don't need the poor or even much care if they are poor.

    With robotic constructors, automation and heuristic programming the number of people who actually need high tech training is diminishing. This is the real problem we need to deal with - how to employ a population that is even now too big for its industrial capacity and maintain any kind of standard of living.

    We need jobs, millions of jobs and they have to be jobs that can last, not some minor tick because we've sacrificed safety and economic parity.

  22. Really? The Deist God made a perfect universe? One with with cancer, starvation, animals killing each other for food, plague, rape, greed, volcanoes, hurricanes, etc., where is it?

    To periphrase Homey the clown, "I don't think so".

    The DOI was revised by committee, and although the bulk of the text remained his, he was hardly the sole author. But you knew that, didn't you?=)

    The word "Creator" to signify God predates the deists by centuries. Nice try though.

    Craig in Lacey

  23. Yes, all those things are part and parcel of life and our failing to utilize this perfect universe in the best ways we can.

    And as you should know every single word of the Declaration of Independence was written by Thomas Jefferson. Yes parts were removed by committee (a section about slavery is one) but he wrote every single word. I mean, we have the original draft which uses the word creator.

    And it doesn't matter what might have happened centuries before, this was written by a Deist who used words precisely and used a lower case 'g' when he wrote god just as he did with the word 'creator'.

    Your revisionism efforts don't fool anyone. This reference is specifically about nature's god, the creator of the universe, you know the one where bad things can happen just as well as good things.

    What's amazing is you don't understand how perfect that is.


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