Wednesday, November 04, 2009

"Smelling Victory"---"Being Approved"

It's interesting how Seattle's two newspapers, well, one is only online now, are reporting last night's results on R-71. The Times says homosexuals are "smelling victory," while the PI says the gay rights bill, SB 5688, is "Being approved."

Danny Westneat at the Times says the election is a "tipping point, of sorts"---"a bellwether of public acceptance" of the homosexual lifestyle.

Whatever the narrative, celebration reigns---especially in the press.

As of this morning; 1,002,599 votes have been counted. We trail by 20,703.

I have some further thoughts.

The Seattle PI correctly quoted the statement we put out yesterday:

"The Faith and Freedom Network, which opposed the new gay rights law, said in a statement earlier Tuesday that the effort had been worth it."

"People of faith and social conservatives have been revived as a political force in Washington," the statement said. "R-71 has identified upwards of 200,000 people who are willing to take action to protect marriage, the family and children. It has also identified a legal team that has won victory after victory, a team that will now defend R-71 petition signers and their right to anonymous political speech before the United States Supreme Court."

Pastor Ken Hutcherson expanded on this thought last night. He pointed out that half the churches in the state did not participate in R-71. He also said, "R-71 is a victory regardless of the vote," pointing to a series of impossible victories during the R-71 campaign.

He said, "We're praying that the vote comes through for us. If the vote doesn't come through for us tonight, we'll try again."

Indeed.

Be assured we will try again. And we are already looking at our options.

But for the moment, let's wait until all the votes are counted.

Be strong. Be vigilant. Be prayerful.
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Gary Randall
President
Faith & Freedom

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23 comments:

  1. What options are left to us?

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  2. Gary,

    In light of the facists and religious nazi's that inhabit the eastern portion of the state, I strongly expect Ref 71 to ultimately be rejected.

    However, I remember that despite the religious right murdering Jesus, God ressurected Him. I expect that in the next 5 - 10 years, civic rights will be granted to more citizens - things that you opposed in the past, blacks right to vote (and citizenship), women's right to vote, citizen's right to have a beer and the like, have all eventually made progress and now are accepted realities.

    Likewise, the notion of opporession because one's sexuality, one's smoking habits and the like will slowly too go "up in smoke", etc.

    Your kind will slowly die off and the those who truly glorify the name of Jesus will see Him restored to the revered name that is deservedly His - and the degradation of His name that you usurp for your partisan, fleshly efforts - this idolatry - will be cast down.

    Patrick

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  3. The Times says homosexuals are "smelling victory..."

    That's a mental picture I really didn't want.

    In light of the facists and religious nazi's that inhabit the eastern portion of the state, I strongly expect Ref 71 to ultimately be rejected.

    Things like this are the reason I'd like to see eastern Washington become its own state. Lavender jackboots are much less in style over here.

    I expect that in the next 5 - 10 years, civic rights will be granted to more citizens...

    by which you mean the first amendment right to free exercise of religion will be reserved to those whose religions pass a liberal litmus test. You're not looking to end oppression, Patrick; you simply want the oppressors to be your own side.

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  4. Anon 2:01

    The option is to begin to obey God - cleanse the church, focus on Jesus on Christ - and let God judge the world as He has stated His role is (ICor5:!2,13).

    What do you say that you give following genuine Christian values a try??

    Patrick

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  5. Patrick, I can't help but feel sorry for you. Your blindness is deafening, as they say.

    If we are to "obey God", then we will try our pathetic best to "be Holy for [He is] holy". I just don't get where fornication meets that standard - never to mention to lie with a man as with a woman, or women exchanging their natural passions for other women. Both are statements from the Bible - God's very word, or do you want to ignore those?

    Now your typical comeback is to whine, "don't judge me, only God gets to do that" and in the meantime you will just do as you please. Well you are right, it isn't for me to judge you, but I DO get to keep my own Biblical perspective in mind as I try to navigate this world. I won't judge you, but don't you tell me how I should think! Besides, how can I possibly "judge" you? I don't have that power.

    What you and other gay activists or gay supporters really mean when you say that is, "shut up and let me do what I want". Then you claim you have a "civil right" to do anything and everything you wish, and 5000 years of civil society has been wrong.

    Well I think you are wrong. Not only misled, but actively doing wrong things. I have the right to my own mind and my own sense of right and wrong - based on the higher standards of the WHOLE BIBLE. It' time you and your pals actually read the book as written and stopped trying to interpret it to suit your desires.

    I hope this issue has galvanized the conservative right, it's about time we stopped getting pushed around by the likes of y'all. I am tired of having to pussyfoot around the PC crowd - you can't even talk about real life anymore!

    Jesus was indignant at the money changers defiling the temple and he went in and cleaned house. I think that is a great example for the rest of us. Quit defiling the Lord and the sacrifice he paid for all of us by claiming the right to do a detestable thing for your fun and pleasure. Get straight or deal with HIS righteousness.

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  6. Victory smells sooooooooo good.

    I guess God likes us better ;)

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  7. Patrick,

    It is obvious you like to twist scripture to say what ever YOU want it to say. Good luck at that, how's it working for you?

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  8. Joel:

    No one wants to take away your right to practice your faith. However, that right does not extend to having the government force others to follow your religious beliefs. Just like the government will not force your faith to perform same-sex marriages.

    Let's let people who want to be part of a same-sex marriage do so, and those who don't approve of same-sex marriages don't have to perform them.

    There is no right in the constitution, though, for you to prohibit others from living their lives as they see fit, simply because it is contrary to your religion.

    Freedom of religion only means that the government allows you to practice your beliefs as an individual as a personal relationship between you and your God.

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  9. Gary. Your only options left are:

    a) Convince the legislature to overturn the domestic partnership law (very unlikely)
    b) Convince the legislature to amend the constitution to prohibit domestic partnerships (impossible)
    c) Collect 240,000 signatures and get over 50% of the population to vote in your favour this time (seems pretty unlikely, given that support for domestic partnerships is constantly going up, and people will not be happy re-voting on the same issue a year from now. Plus you don't exactly have a lot of money flowing in and you would need to collect 240,000 signatures for an initiative).
    d) Some crazy legal maneuver.. But no judge is going to overturn a referendum result without some incredibly strong reason, like major fraud.

    Doesn't really seem like you have any options.

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  10. How has voting against ref. 71 protected traditional marriage?

    I don't understand why you have an issue with this.

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  11. There are some that have all options
    available. Then they kill doctors and nurses in women health clinics
    and bomb and burn the clinics.
    Just make sure that your frustration
    and fear that homosexuals are somehow going to destroy traditional marriage
    does not translate into terrorism
    or promoting terrorism by your rhetoric. Terrorism against homosexuals is not one of your options.

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  12. "Patrick, I can't help but feel sorry for you. Your blindness is deafening, as they say.

    If we are to "obey God", then we will try our pathetic best to "be Holy for [He is] holy". I just don't get where fornication meets that standard - never to mention to lie with a man as with a woman, or women exchanging their natural passions for other women. Both are statements from the Bible - God's very word, or do you want to ignore those?"

    Anon 8:48
    Admittedly, what I hear when you say that you "feel sorry" is rather that "you feel puffed up in your self-righteous arrogance".

    Jesus taught simply - you are NOT supposed to engage in homosexuality if you are are born into the Kingdom. SO DON'T DO IT!! I don't and won't. Nor, God helping me, will I sin in any other way - knowing my own failures and His grace.

    However, your twisting scripture by trying to impose your Kingdom morality onto the world. God specifically stated that HE and HE ALONE (ICor5:12,13) is to judge the world - whereas those who are genuinely in His Church judge THOSE IN THE CHURCH.

    Your sin of idolatry - of usurping God's position because of your fleshly hatred - is no different than the Muslim's morality police and is ultimately a work of Satan who puffed himself up to take God's position as well.

    If you were genuinely interested in following the Lord - I would be open to dialogue - but only if you are genuinely open.

    Patrick

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  13. "You're not looking to end oppression, Patrick; you simply want the oppressors to be your own side."

    Joel

    You are engaging in the same behavior as your father - accusing the brethern - in this case - in total ignorance - whether it is because of arrogance or self-righteousness or whatever - it is NOT Christ.

    Your silly, ignorant immaturity though is apparent - I would be happy to cut Eastern WA away and let them drown in their own ignorance and anti-Christ spirit - likewise the southern US. Abe Lincoln made the biggest blunder of any president - he s/h let the criminals go and saved the massive grief caused by war criminals from the South the rest of us have had to pay for since.

    Patrick

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  14. Gary

    You have been getting a bit quiet here today on 11/05/09.

    Not likin' those results??

    Facism doesn't pay -

    Only exalting the name of Jesus.

    Patrick

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  15. AP called it tonight - R71 passed!!!

    Break out the champagne - the people have spoken!

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  16. The voters had the choice to vote for the future of the children or vote for those who want the state to protect them from the choices they have made by giving them what they do not deserve.

    We had the choice to vote for God or the Devil, to bless what God has ordained for life, or to encourage what his enemy has sown
    for evil.


    If I vote for homosexuality to be abolished in America I have not violated any American's rights.

    I hope I get the chance to cast such a vote for a better America.

    People will still do whatever they want to do regardless of the laws we have, but having good laws does curb much violence and lusts which corrupt.

    God's law given to Israel by Moses
    wasn't able to make them perfect because it was weak through the flesh, but it was able to save them as a nation, prevent them from being cast out of the land God gave them, and keep them in power over their enemies for a better way of life, if they chose to keep God's laws with all their heart.

    Though they fell, he forgave them when they repented. Only through justification by faith could they continue, and many of them did.

    That's something they had to find
    apart from the written commandments of "Thou shalt not, and Thou shalt." Some of them found it through faith in an atonement that God was going to provide in the future, bringing themselves out of their past and present condition through faith
    which knows no bounds in God.

    But when their group as a whole kept the commandments of God the group survived and was blessed. God kept their enemies away. God caused them to flourish and prosper.

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  17. I think the take away message should be, God loves gay people. God wanted gay people to be protected. As I wrote weeks ago, God came to me in a dream and told me that this election was wrong. He showed himself to be true to his word by delivering this resounding victory for same sex families. As a Christian, I'm glad I spent my energy working with the poor the last several months. I thank God for showing me the true path. All people are love by him.

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  18. The voters had the choice to vote for the future of families and children or vote against them with churches who campaign their hate with money used from their tax exempt status, which they do not deserve.

    If I vote for Christianity to be abolished in America I have not violated any American's rights.

    I hope I get the chance to cast such a vote for a better America.

    People will still do whatever they want to do regardless of the laws we have, but having good laws does curb much violence and religious dogma which corrupt.

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  19. Just like the government will not force your faith to perform same-sex marriages.

    Be realistic. How long do you think it would take for some activist yahoo to bring a lawsuit against a church that, say, holds a retreat for married couples only, or that refuses to allow its facilities to be used for same-sex weddings? Even if the vast majority of gay people are reasonable and fair about respecting my right to believe, it only takes one to set a precedent. And I can't believe that there isn't a single gay person out there angry enough to do that.

    I don't care if unmarried couples have a domestic partnership arrangement. That's why I voted for 71. But I can't pretend that the push for gay marriage doesn't pose a threat to the First Amendment.

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  20. How many lawsuits have been filed against the Catholic Church for refusing to perform interfaith or second marriages? How many against the Mormon Church?

    Just as these Churches have been free to refuse to perform perfectly legal marriages in the past, so will they be in the future, as they are today in states like MA where same-sex marriage is legal. Irrational fear mongering is only useful to fill the coffers of groups like FFN.

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  21. I am hopeful that the tax exempt status of these right wing partisan religious madrasas will quickly be ended - such a status is a complete sham and lie.

    I am working to that end.

    Cut their money and they will shrivel back into their dark holes.

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  22. My goodness, let the voters determine whether anti-traditional marriage is ok, and they decide one-man/one-woman is best. Those Maine-iacs!! I'm waiting on the judiciary to void that vote.....

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  23. How many lawsuits have been filed against the Catholic Church for refusing to perform interfaith or second marriages? How many against the Mormon Church?

    I didn't say anything about suing them for refusing to solemnize such unions. But there are other ways in which churches may be liable for refusing to recognize such unions as marriages, like the ones I mentioned above.

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