Monday, May 23, 2011

Obama On Israel: "Ridiculous And Dangerous"

As President Obama was, by almost everyones understanding, demanding that Israel return to her 1967 borders last Thursday, many leaders were pushing back---way back.

Senator Orin Hatch, R-Utah, said of the President's position, "This is not only ridiculous but dangerous" and promised to sponsor a resolution this week disapproving of the President's position.

Senator James Imhofe, R- Okla., said, "The President's position was a slap in the face of our friend and democracy's only ally in the Middle East: Israel." He said, "The land belongs to Israel. Period."

Rabbi Aryeh Sero said, "It's ironic that the President of the United states, who speaks in humanitarian tones regarding the Palestinians, doesn't have any humanitarian concerns toward 500,000 Jewish people and families that will be uprooted and deported from their homes."

Ironic, Rabbi, but not surprising.

He said, "The President of the United States is asking for ethnic cleansing."

Prime Minister Netanyahu told the President "No." He said, "It's not going to happen and everybody knows it's not going to happen."

But oh what a difference a day (or two) can make.

Late yesterday afternoon the President spoke to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and now things are a bit different than they were on Thursday. A slight misunderstanding.

President Obama told AIPAC that he wasn't changing his stance---any negotiation has to begin by acknowledging the 1967 borders, before the Six Day War.

The key word was "acknowledging"---apparently lost on everyone except a few of the most elite advocates of the President, covering the President's back on television and print media over the weekend.

FOX News
made an interesting observation regarding Hamas, who has promised in their charter, the destruction of Israel.
"The president said no country should be expected to recognize a government that calls for its destruction, and he called on Hamas to 'accept the basic responsibilities of peace, including recognizing Israel's right to exist, rejecting violence and adhering to all existing agreements.'"
But Marc Thiessen, a former adviser to President George W. Bush, said Obama's exclusion of the latter two issues while calling for narrowing Israel's borders puts Israel in a precarious position.

"By leaving that out while calling for the 1967 borders, he essentially tried to take away the Israelis negotiating card while leaving the Palestinians theirs," he said. "If 7 million Palestinians return to Israel, it will end Israel as we know it."

Where is the real misunderstanding? In the demands on the border? On the intent of the speech? Or the intent of the President?

God help us.

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Gary Randall
President
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14 comments:

  1. Gary, when Obama threw Israel under the bus, for the first time in my life I was ashamed of my country.

    God help us indeed.

    Vanessa
    Camas, WA

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  2. Vanessa,

    There you guys go again, blaming America first...

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  3. Gary's climbing aboard the latest dishonest right-wing attack against President Obama, what a shock. The fact that he approvingly quotes the architect of the Bush/Cheney torture regime, war criminal Marc Theissen just shows that there is no limiting the depths to which he will stoop to attack the President. Once again Randall has shown unequivocally that pursuit of political power trumps "principle" every time in this "ministry", which is really just a poorly disguised Republican political action committee.

    Oh, and for the record, President's Obama's stance is not a change from US policy towards Isreal of the past two decades. Commander in Chief Obama did not change his position at all between the Cairo and AIPAC speeches, something that would be obvious if you actually bothered to quote the man, whose words you are allegedly discussing.

    Be Entirely Political, Be willfully misinformed, Be an FFN follower!

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  4. There is no misunderstanding here, there is a willful misrepresentation of facts.

    President Obama's words did not represent ANY change in US policy towards Israel and Netanyahu, Republican politicians, and even Rabbis, who write columns for far right wing magazines, know it.

    From Nov '10 :
    "The Prime Minister and the Secretary agreed on the importance of continuing direct negotiations to achieve our goals. The Secretary reiterated that "the United States believes that through good-faith negotiations, the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state, based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements."

    That is exactly what President Obama said in Cairo :"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states."

    When Bibi runs around claiming Obama has "thrown Israel under the bus" his is knowingly lying, anyone else parroting that position is either knowingly lying or woefully ignorant about the topic.

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  5. 11:26

    When was Theissen convicted of war crimes? You mean, that's your opinion. Why should Israel even consider 1967 borders, so they can be attacked again? Remember the phrase " Never Again". Check your history and find out what it means, the Jews have a long memory. If I was Bibi, I wouldn't trust Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other terrorist organization. To do so would be national suicide!

    Craig in Lacey

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  6. Well Said Gary.

    Israel has a public relations problem. Many people believe that Israel stole that land from the Palestinians. This is not true.

    Here are the facts:
    1. After the holocaust European Jews were looking for a homeland, a place where they could live in peace and safety. They decided to return to Jerusalem their ancient home.
    2. When they moved to what we call modern Israel, they bought the land from (usually absent) Arab land owners at THREE TIMES THE MARKET PRICE.
    3. Modern Israel was mostly vacant waste land in 1946 when the Jews began to return. Jerusalem had about 30,000 people living there and about half were Jewish. The rest of the region was inhabited by a few nomadic herdsman and their sheep and goats, and nothing else.
    4. As the Jews began to build their homes a building boom ensued. Migrant construction workers flocked to the area for the jobs. These are the ancestors of the so-call Palestinians. Yasar Arafat was Egyptian.
    5. Islamic law prohibits a Muslim person from being under the authority of a non-Muslim. When the nation of Israel was formed in 1948 the Muslims (five neighboring nations) attacked Israel simultaneously. They cannot stand the idea of a non-Muslim nation on land formerly controlled by Muslims. Muslims wanted to play a game of "My God is bigger than your God" and got their butts kicked. Israel's God is God.
    6. The Israel haters then engaged in gorilla warfare. This is very difficult to defend against. You have difficult choices. a) Kill all non-Jewish people in the area. b) Put up with terrorist acts. c) Expel the group of people killing Jews. Israel chose option c as it was the most humane.

    When these Arab people were expelled they attempted to return to their native lands and their own home countries locked them out. It would have solved the problem but the Islamic nations wanted the problem. Thus the Palestinian people were victimized by their own countries. (Note: They were not called Palestinians until the 1960's.)

    In Summery: The Palestinians do not have an ancestral claim the Israel. The Jews bought and paid for the land. The Jews are willing to live in peace, the Islamic people are not.
    If the Muslims would lay down their weapons there would be no more war. If Israel were to lay down there weapons there would be no more Israel.

    Israel only bulldozes the homes of suicide bombers. They do this to make people think twice about blowing themselves up to kill innocent people.

    Arab and Islamic complaints against Israel are baseless.

    PRS in Federal Way

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  7. PRS in Federal Way8:28 AM, May 24, 2011

    Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Obama On Israel: "Ridiculous And Dangerous"":

    Well Said Gary.

    Israel has a public relations problem. Many people believe that Israel stole that land from the Palestinians. This is not true.

    Here are the facts:
    1. After the holocaust European Jews were looking for a homeland, a place where they could live in peace and safety. They decided to return to Jerusalem their ancient home.
    2. When they moved to what we call modern Israel, they bought the land from (usually absent) Arab land owners at THREE TIMES THE MARKET PRICE.
    3. Modern Israel was mostly vacant waste land in 1946 when the Jews began to return. Jerusalem had about 30,000 people living there and about half were Jewish. The rest of the region was inhabited by a few nomadic herdsman and their sheep and goats, and nothing else.
    4. As the Jews began to build their homes a building boom ensued. Migrant construction workers flocked to the area for the jobs. These are the ancestors of the so-call Palestinians. Yasar Arafat was Egyptian.
    5. Islamic law prohibits a Muslim person from being under the authority of a non-Muslim. When the nation of Israel was formed in 1948 the Muslims (five neighboring nations) attacked Israel simultaneously. They cannot stand the idea of a non-Muslim nation on land formerly controlled by Muslims. Muslims wanted to play a game of "My God is bigger than your God" and got their butts kicked. Israel's God is God.
    6. The Israel haters then engaged in gorilla warfare. This is very difficult to defend against. You have difficult choices. a) Kill all non-Jewish people in the area. b) Put up with terrorist acts. c) Expel the group of people killing Jews. Israel chose option c as it was the most humane.

    When these Arab people were expelled they attempted to return to their native lands and their own home countries locked them out. It would have solved the problem but the Islamic nations wanted the problem. Thus the Palestinian people were victimized by their own countries. (Note: They were not called Palestinians until the 1960's.)

    In Summery: The Palestinians do not have an ancestral claim the Israel. The Jews bought and paid for the land. The Jews are willing to live in peace, the Islamic people are not.
    If the Muslims would lay down their weapons there would be no more war. If Israel were to lay down there weapons there would be no more Israel.

    Israel only bulldozes the homes of suicide bombers. They do this to make people think twice about blowing themselves up to kill innocent people.

    Arab and Islamic complaints against Israel are baseless.

    PRS in Federal Way

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  8. PRS in Federal Way8:30 AM, May 24, 2011

    PRS in Federal Way has left a new comment on your post "Obama On Israel: "Ridiculous And Dangerous"":

    Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Obama On Israel: "Ridiculous And Dangerous"":

    Well Said Gary.

    Israel has a public relations problem. Many people believe that Israel stole that land from the Palestinians. This is not true.

    Here are the facts:
    1. After the holocaust European Jews were looking for a homeland, a place where they could live in peace and safety. They decided to return to Jerusalem their ancient home.
    2. When they moved to what we call modern Israel, they bought the land from (usually absent) Arab land owners at THREE TIMES THE MARKET PRICE.
    3. Modern Israel was mostly vacant waste land in 1946 when the Jews began to return. Jerusalem had about 30,000 people living there and about half were Jewish. The rest of the region was inhabited by a few nomadic herdsman and their sheep and goats, and nothing else.
    4. As the Jews began to build their homes a building boom ensued. Migrant construction workers flocked to the area for the jobs. These are the ancestors of the so-call Palestinians. Yasar Arafat was Egyptian.
    5. Islamic law prohibits a Muslim person from being under the authority of a non-Muslim. When the nation of Israel was formed in 1948 the Muslims (five neighboring nations) attacked Israel simultaneously. They cannot stand the idea of a non-Muslim nation on land formerly controlled by Muslims. Muslims wanted to play a game of "My God is bigger than your God" and got their butts kicked. Israel's God is God.
    6. The Israel haters then engaged in gorilla warfare. This is very difficult to defend against. You have difficult choices. a) Kill all non-Jewish people in the area. b) Put up with terrorist acts. c) Expel the group of people killing Jews. Israel chose option c as it was the most humane.

    When these Arab people were expelled they attempted to return to their native lands and their own home countries locked them out. It would have solved the problem but the Islamic nations wanted the problem. Thus the Palestinian people were victimized by their own countries. (Note: They were not called Palestinians until the 1960's.)

    In Summery: The Palestinians do not have an ancestral claim the Israel. The Jews bought and paid for the land. The Jews are willing to live in peace, the Islamic people are not.
    If the Muslims would lay down their weapons there would be no more war. If Israel were to lay down there weapons there would be no more Israel.

    Israel only bulldozes the homes of suicide bombers. They do this to make people think twice about blowing themselves up to kill innocent people.

    Arab and Islamic complaints against Israel are baseless.

    PRS in Federal Way

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  9. Craig,

    Yes, Theissen wasn't convicted of war crimes, he is an unindicted war criminal - there are quite a few of them in the former Bush/Cheney administration.

    Israel should consider the 1967 borders with agreed land swaps (why is it that right wingers insist upon dropping this part?) because they want a sustainable peace (assuming they do), because defensible borders are easily attainable via this method(as Bibi himself agreed last November), because the international community doesn't make a habit of recognizing territory acquired through attacks on your neighbors (and isn't likely to make a jews only exception). Yes, I am well aware of the meaning of "never again", I've reviewed the records and stood in front of the ovens at Dachau. "Never Again" is a reminder to stand for ALL human rights everywhere (including those of the Palestinians), it is not (or at least it was not meant to be) a universal justification for every action and stance of the Israeli right-wing!

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  10. The international community doesn't make it a habit of recognizing territory acquired thru attacks on your neighbors? You can't be serious, they do it all the time. Parts of Germany were once Prussian, so are parts of Poland. Tibet belongs to China, again, minimal outcry. Let's not even start on Italy. For your information, Israel was attacked in 1967 by Arab countries, not the other way around. They traded the Sinai and what did it get them? Arms shipments to their border and smuggled into Gaza, to be promptly launched on civilians.


    "Never Again", means they won't remain passive while their people are threatened with genocide.

    Read the above article for edification.

    Craig in Lacey

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  11. So Craig, just why is it we fought a war in Kuwait? Why not just let Iraq have it? After all, per the rules you apply to Israel, they took it fair and square!

    You really should look into learning some history - especially before pointing things out for others' edification, you'll make a fool of yourself less often. Prussia was the lead and most power states in the founding of a unified Germany in 1871 - so any claim that Germany stole Prussian land through use of force is absurd, it would be like claiming the BRD stole the land of the DDR. As for Poland, it was recreated following WWII on more or less (much of the Baltic coast had been east Prussia - a German province) the same land it occupied before the Germans and the Russians split the territory in 1939. The Germans certainly weren't allowed to keep any land they had overrun.

    As for who started the Six Day War, that would be Israel. The claim is that they launched their attack preemptively to forestall an Egyptian attack, but the fact is Israel launched surprise air attacks on Egypt, Syria and Jordan on June 5, 1967. Those are the facts.

    Again you show that you don't know the lesson of the Shoah, it isn't a "get out of jail free" card for any action Israel may choose to take.

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  12. 11:43

    And the Chinese? Is Tibet recgnized by the international community as a part of China or not? The nations conquered by the Soviets were recognized as part of the U.S.S.R. for 70 years! The Ottoman Turks ruled much of the Middle East until WW1 and it was recognized by the international community. The Romans ruled France and Spain, Syria, Israel, etc., and were its recognized rulers. The Greeks ruled most of the known world and it's still known as the Greek Empire. When Spain conquered most of South America It was recognized as their territory, as was Mexico. Don't even get me started on the Mongols or the Han Dynasty. How about the British Empire? Were their conquests recognized or not by the international community. So don't try to tell me the international community doesn't recognize lands taken in conquest, like I said, they do it all the time. I know, how about the good old U.S., you know, the country you live in now. Hmmmm, I think the natives would say it was taken by conquest. Are we recognized by the U.N. or not? You really should look into History before you make a claim like that, you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself=)

    As for '67, If I see a man coming to my door with a gun( not a cop), I'm not going to wait for him to break into my house before I act. That's suicidal, something the Jews refuse to do again and I say they had a right to act and still do.

    Again, they tried the land swap (Sinai) and all they got was weapons smuggled into Gaza to be promptly launched on civilians. Guess what, now the border is open between Egypt and Gaza, Stay tuned for more rockets and missiles to begin raining down on civilians.

    When will you left-wing apologists for terrorists get it? The Arabs will accept nothing less than the destruction of Israel and every Jew, its what they teach their young and they believe any means are acceptable and time is on their side.

    Craig in Lacey

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  13. Craig,

    Again with the ignorance, although the topping of arrogance is such a nice touch.

    The UN has passed numerous resolutions on Tibet, which China has ignored - just as Israel is ignoring UN resolutions. Every other instance yo cite predates the United Nations (which worked to divest Britain and other European nations of their overseas possessions).

    Of course the other big difference is my tax dollars are funding Israeli actions, they did not fund any of these other actions.

    As for your laughably flawed '67 analogy, what if the man "coming to your door" is actually standing at the edge of his own property? Do you still have a right to shoot him for having a gun on his property, but near yours?How about shooting him, destroying his house and taking some of his land? That would better describe the situation.

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  14. 10:35

    There was an international community long before their was that joke called the U.N. Nations continue to do business with China regardless of Tibet, That's recognition of the reality of the situation by the international community. Oh, by the way, I haven't seen the U.N. pass any resolutions demanding the return of the U.S. to the native people, again recognition of the status quo, and it goes on and on. It was a specious argument to begin with.

    AS for the guy with the gun, yes, if he's pointing it at me and has expressed his desire to kill me. Which Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan had expressed a desire to do to every Jew in Israel.

    There is no such thing as a Palestinian.


    Craig in Lacey

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