Monday, June 27, 2011

NY Bishops: "Our Beliefs Will Be Ridiculed"

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NY Gov. Cuomo, a Catholic, signed into law a bill that redefines marriage in the state of New York at 11:55 p.m. Friday night, just in time for Saturday's Gay Parade spectacle.

Expressing strong respect and the right to dignity for homosexuals, the Catholic bishops of New York State released a statement saying, "But we just as strongly affirm that marriage is the joining of one man and one woman in a lifelong, loving union that is open to children, ordered for the good of those children and the spouses themselves."

They continued, "This definition cannot change, though we realize that our beliefs about the nature of marriage will continue to be ridiculed, and that some will even now attempt to enact government sanctions against churches and religious organizations that preach these timeless truths."


Ironically, as these bishops issued their statement, the New York City Gay Pride exhibition of perversion passed directly in front of Saint Patrick's Cathedral--the seat of the Catholic Archdiocese of New York.

Gov. Cuomo led the exhibition, telling the press, "New York has sent a message to the nation, its time for marriage equality."

Marriage equality has always existed in America. Everyone has the right to marry, Governor.

Suzanne Goldberg, a professor at Columbia University Law School said having same-sex marriage in New York will have, "tremendous moral and political force" for the rest of the country, "in part because New York is such a large state and in part because it hasn't come easily."

Four Republicans insured the victory by breaking from their colleagues and voting against marriage.

One lone voice spoke in support of natural marriage from the floor. Senator Ruben Diaz said, "God, not Albany, has settled the definition of marriage a long time ago."

The bishops said, "We worry that both marriage and the family will be undermined by this tragic presumption of government in passing legislation that attempts to redefine these cornerstones of society."

"Our society," they said, "must regain what it appears to have lost---a true understanding of the meaning and place of marriage, as revealed by God, grounded in nature, and respected by America's foundational principles."

I'm reminded of St. Paul's writing in Romans chapter 1--- they "became futile in their thoughts and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools...and exchanged God's truth for the lie."

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  1. So is Gary suggesting that the citizens of New York do not have the right to use their public streets for whatever purpose they see fit, because said street runs before "the seat of the Catholic Archdiocese of New York"? Seems that same "logic" would demand imposition of Sharia law on the street in front of mosques. For all the hysteria from fundamentalists about the looming imposition of sharia law, they certainly are eager to impose their own version.

    Gary congratulates Ruben Diaz for seeking to enshrine his religious beliefs in law. Similarly he lauds the Catholic Bishops in their continued whining that the NY state legislature failed to enshrine their religious beliefs into law.

    If the Bishops truly believe the final statement Gary quotes, then they way to do that is through convincing a free and equal populace to choose their view of marriage of their own free will; not to impose that choice on everyone!

    Oh, and BTW Gary, as long as you an yours feel free to toss around epitaphs like "perversion" you should really quit your whining and sniveling when people rightly call out your anti-gay bigotry!

  2. anon 11:22 You are the personification of what Gary and the Bishops are talking about.

  3. The Catholics won't be ridiculed any more than they are for their opinion on divorce. As long as they don't try and force those who don't practice their religion to conform to it's tenets they are free to restrict marriage among their followers in any way they choose, same as always.

    The victory for marriage that happened in NY hopefully will spread in the coming years. Being able to hold licensed marriage as the gold standard for all citizens and their spouses regardless of their sex is a great step forward in maintaining it as a culturally relevant structure.

    May everyone be able to continue exercising their rights to liberty and pursuit of happiness as they see fit - it's the American way.

  4. Osher. I have a novel idea. What if the founders of our country, who did invoke many of their Christian beliefs on our new nation, knew something you do not know? What if their ideas of social and legal order, based on biblical truth, work better than yours? It seems to me that their plan has served you and others who claim atheism and share your non beliefs, well.
    It's difficult, I know it is difficult to live in a country that, because it was founded primarily by Christians and provides freedom for all, not to want to change it to your way of thinking that also has a historical track record. Every civilization that has followed the path you suggest has ended in failure. No exception.

  5. 1:14 PM
    Well said and I agree

  6. I guess in that kind of fantasy world things would be different. In this one where the founding fathers we all were taught about were Deists, Unitarians, Quakers, Freemasons, and even atheists its just not really relevant.

    In the Pride parade there was a block long line of Lutheran churches alone. There is nothing incompatible between gay and Christian, simple as that.

    And there is no civilization that hasn't ended in failure, period, no matter what they do. Its all part of life and growth - every civilization passes on in its own time. Like it or not this one was based on personal liberty and the idea that government serves the people equally. If you can license a wife or husband so can every other citizen.

    If your religious beliefs are different, then behave YOURSELF differently, but don't think you can tell others their rights are limited to what your religion thinks is ok.

  7. osher. Who taught you? The writings of the founders make it pretty clear what religious beliefs they held. Most were Christian by their own confession, Deists, Quakers and even Unitarians held very different beliefs in the 1700 hundreds than those groups hold today. Your history teacher misled you.
    I am aware of the block long line of Luthern churches in your parade. I am also aware that there is a line, much longer than a block, of Luthern churches leaving their denomination for this very reason.
    As Gary has often said, everyone does have marriage equality. Everyone can , as you say license a husband or wife. This government does serve all people equally in regard to marriage. You are asking for special rights.
    My religion thinks murdering is not OK. Should the government not restrict people from murdering because you and others do not believe my religion? What about rape? What about incest? Is that OK? From what do you think most American law was derived? An atheist manifesto?
    You might want to give this some more thought.

  8. You're just reading what you want to believe - Quakers have never been 'Christian' by evangelical standards, neither have Freemasons such as Washington. Obviously Deists and atheists have never been.

    And saying that only some people with husbands and wives can license with the state isn't equal by any reasonable usage of the term. People marry themselves, the state just licenses a contract in their support. Protestants only have to sacraments, baptism and communion, and all a minister does at a marriage ceremony is a blessing; not essential to make the couple married nor a requirement of the Christian protestant God. if one citizen can license a husband they all can, ditto a wife.

    And your murder usage is an excellent example. Murder means 'illegal homicide' since our society and historical Christianity has many ways that homicide is legal and even blessed. What your religion doesn't believe in is irrelevant since we have secular laws that define what is legal and illegal homicide which derive from pagan Roman and Anglo-Saxon roots.

    So I think I really am quite versed on the issue of law, maybe its you that needs to rethink your positions? You're batting 0-3 in this message alone.

  9. This has nothing to do with God; we are talking about civil marriage. Nor does it have anything to do with religious protections; the other side made it clear from the start that no amount of protection would appease them. Nor does it have to do with individual rights; no one is forced to have to marry a member of the same sex and it is their side that wants to force gays to marry people they cannot love.

    The bottom line is this: Anti-gay forces simply do not want gay people to marry each other. No matter what. End of story.

    What is the motivation? It's not hard to discern. They simply do not like us. Read the blog post again: We are called perverts and ridiculed once again.

    Your bigotry, Gary, is not catching on.

  10. It's interesting to me that Gary didn't once mention 'stopping gay marriage' or ask for support to keep it from happening.

    I think he has finally acknowledged that it is inevitable.

    Say hallelujah!

  11. @5:22 Good point, these sort of posts from Gary usually include an request for cash.

  12. @12:24

    Really? Whose faith did I ridicule? All I did was express my opinion on the matter in a far more respectful manner than Gary or the Bishops ever do.


    Many of the founders were Christian, however they saw the wisdom of having secular government and chose not to base the Government for their new nation on their religious beliefs. Stop listening to David Barton and his lies, read a real historian for a change!


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