Wednesday, November 02, 2011

Atheists Having Problem With The Truth

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It has been said it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a Christian. I don't know about that, but I do know that atheists have a problem with the truth, and this time it's on a huge billboard at 1545 Newport Blvd., Costa Mesa, California. For all to see.

The billboard reads: "I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature. It is founded on fables and mythology." Thomas Jefferson

They may want him to have said that or even believe he could have said that, but the Jefferson Library at Monticello says differently.

Here's the rest of the story, the links, what the atheist group is now saying and who said Jefferson made that statement.

Bruce Gleason, whose atheist group Backyard Skeptics paid to put up this and other similar signs around the country, said he got the quote from John E. Remsberg's 1906 book, "Six Historic Americans" and Jefferson made the comment in a letter to a "Dr. Wood."

However there is a problem.

The Jefferson Library in Monticello says, "As far as we know, TJ never wrote to an individual calling him/her self 'Dr. Wood.' Another suspicious element is the statement that he does not find in Christianity 'one redeeming feature.' One presumes that Jefferson did, in fact, find some redeeming features in Christianity, otherwise he would not have taken the time to paste together his own versions of the Bible."

While Jefferson was not the designated evangelical leader of his time, he apparently never made that statement. Secular progressives have so successfully misrepresented and misquoted Jefferson in regard to separation of church and state, perhaps they now think they can speak for him more effectively the he himself could.

John E. Remsberg not only wrote, "Six Historic Americans," but a better known work titled, "The Christ" in which chapter one is titled, "Christ's Real Existence Impossible." On page one Remsberg states, "...the Jesus of Bethlehem, the Christ of Christianity, is an impossible character and does not exist."

Remsberg's life work was to prove there is no God and show Christianity to be mere mythology. With Christianity now numbering a little over 2 billion worldwide, it would appear Remsberg did not make a significant impact. Nor have others before and after Remsberg.

Gleason told the Orange County Register, "I should have done the research before I put my billboard up."

Perhaps atheists should do a little more research before they attempt to throw God under the bus, declare Jesus Christ non existent and seek to lead others into the same lane of traffic.

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  1. I guess the atheist group will just have to start calling it an "unverified quotation", isn't that what your favorite phony historian David Barton does?

  2. A bit humorous considering all the words in the bible attributed to one person what were written by another, but regardless you are right: if there ever was a source letter to this Dr. Wood (and it is known that Remsberg did have access to Jefferson material that is now lost) it is long gone if it ever existed at all. Such is the risk of using 2nd hand research. (organizations like FRC, FOF and NARTH please take note...)

    Jefferson thought Jesus was a great teacher, his philosophy 'sublime' and it was Paul that corrupted his teachings by making the religion of Jesus into a religion about him. He edited the Gospels removing all the superstition and magic, distilling it into its basic principles as one of his last accomplishments.

    Of course he would consider most Christians really Paulians and that they don't follow the teachings of Jesus at all, but then we've been through that discussion before here in these forums.

    So Jefferson may not have though Christianity had NO redeeming value but still we do know he said:

    "I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshiped by many who think themselves Christians."

  3. Upon learning that the quote couldn't be verified, the atheist said "I should have done the research before I put my billboard up." He didn't cling to his faith in the quote.

    Sounds to me like he has no trouble at all with the truth.

    Whoever said it 'takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a Christian' was simply interjecting their own need for an absolute answer absent verifiable evidence. The fact is, if your superstition could be proven, we'd believe it.

  4. "I should have done the research before"

    Wouldn't that be so refreshing to hear from Gary just once after one of his posts are factually corrected by readers?

    Talk about a problem with the truth!

  5. 10-18 Why do you read this blog?

  6. They read the blog because their atheist beliefs do not answer the basic questions of life and why are we here. If they really believed what they say they believe they would just discount the claims of Christ as fables and ignore them. Their beliefs do not satisfy so they are constantly on the search for self-revealed "truth".
    Bud in Lynnwood

  7. Bud,

    You are correct in that we atheists don't have answers on why we are here. However, only a fool would look for those answers on this blog. This is a political blog, not a religious one.

    If this blog was just about telling people how great Jesus was, I would have no interest. But, what it's really about is promoting legislation that forces your ultra right wing values on everyone else. That, I take an interest in.

  8. 9:21

    Barton's references are extensive and there for all to check. Nice try though.


    TJ accomplished nothing other than to promote another 'gospel which is not really a gospel'[, precisely what Jesus predicted would happen, both before and after TJ. Jesus said, "if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father in Heaven." I wonder if TJ ever took that to heart?

    If it was magic, where are all the eyewitness accounts refuting what Jesus is reputed to have done, i.e., raise the dead, give sight to the blind, make the lame to walk. Clearly He had many enemies and detractors. Could it be they couldn't deny what their own eyes saw? They feared him and had him killed because they perceived him as a threat to their power and privilege. They didn't deny what he did and they had ample opportunity. People are still trying to kill him for the same reasons.

    By the way, look up the Greek word "grammateus" pronounced, gram mat yooce' and get back to me.

    People still today worship a counterfeit Christ because they don't read the Bible nor watch their doctrine closely.


    Sounds like he had a big problem with the truth. He lied.

    The evidence for God is as close as the mirror, you say that you see, therefore you remain blind.


    This blog is both, hence the name. I only seek to keep this country from becoming some Godless, soulless aberration of what it was founded to be. A government system for a "moral and religious people, it is wholly unsuitable for any other."

    Thanx again, Faith and Freedom

    Craig in Lacey

  9. Craig,

    A lie is an intentional false statement. He thought the quotation was legitimate, therefore he didn't lie.

    Also, the fact is, we don't know whether or not it's an accurate quote. It might be, it just can't be verified. Accordingly, it shouldn't have been used until verified and he acknowledged that upon learning it couldn't be verified.

    No problem with the truth there.

  10. Ha! A collection of writings, a subset of hundreds put together by a catholic committee hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. All TJ did was remove the material he questioned, he didn't add any.

    grammateus: a man learned in the Mosaic law and in the sacred writings, an interpreter, teacher. Scribes examined the more difficult and subtle questions of the law; added to the Mosaic law decisions of various kinds thought to elucidate its meaning and scope, and did this to the detriment of religion.

    And since I agree the committee did just that I wonder why you brought it up at all.

  11. Ha! Scripture was complete by the end of the 1st century A.D and recognized as such by 1st century believers long before the catholics came into existence.

    A grammateus is a professional scribe who takes dictation and was employed by many of the Apostles to write The epistles. Paul had poor eyesight, Peter was a fisherman, its no surprise they had others write for them. It's still their words or do you contend that if you dictate a letter that the words somehow become your secretary's. Some scribes did add to the MOSAIC LAW and Jesus called them to account for it. These hardly would have been willing to have any part in the writing of the New Testament.

    You also deny the work of the Holy Spirit in the writing of Scripture. A very dangerous thing to do.

    Revelation has a clear warning about REMOVING anything from it and it's filled with what you would call magic and wild predictions. If TJ removed any of that, the plagues written in that book will be added to him. I wonder if he took that to heart?


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