Wednesday, November 16, 2011

Ed Murray's Action Items For Re-Defining Marriage In WA State

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Sen. Ed Murray and his coalition to re-define marriage in Washington State have taken several steps that pro-marriage citizens should know about.

Following the roll out in Bellevue earlier this week, the Seattle Times has followed up with their part of the campaign. Much more will follow. The news media is deeply committed to re-defining marriage.

The Times has written the "model" editorial that you will see in local newspapers across the state.

KING 5 TV has done their part by covering a very important part of the campaign to re-define marriage. The personal part. They call it a "different approach".

And details and locations for the "conversation" meetings in local communities "outside Seattle" have been published.

It's important that all pro-marriage citizens are aware of what is happening statewide and in your local community--including the local meetings in your area.

Here are the details.

The Seattle Times most often sets the tone and even content for the editorial boards in most all newspapers in the state. Particularly on social issues. Please read it, then watch for the same message in your local newspaper and be prepared to discuss the issues with friends and family.

KING 5 TV has reported another and very important part of the strategy to re-define marriage. They ran a story this week covering the emotional stress and difficulty of families who have a homosexual son or daughter.

The story features Stephan and Robin Boehler from Mercer Island who have a homosexual daughter. They were deeply involved in the opposition to Referendum 71 and will now be taking a visible roll in the push for homosexual "marriage."

This is a difficult and tragic situation for any family. My heart is touched by the visible anguish of these parents, especially Robin, the mother. She says in the piece, I just want her to "have everything her sisters have."

Then says of those who oppose re-defining marriage, she doesn't understand why they "don't think she deserves it. They don't even know her."

Rod Hearne, with Equal Rights Washington, then explains why he and other leaders are using this very emotional family situation in their appeal to both voters and legislators. "We are giving them the levers" he says in regard to this most emotional appeal.

What parent doesn't love their child and want them to be happy? This will be a reoccurring theme in the local meetings and in the news media during the next several months.

However, we must remember and communicate, Compassion and Conviction are not mutually exclusive.

You can love a child or someone else with all your heart and still stand on the conviction that homosexual behavior and so-called homosexual "marriage" is wrong.

Finally, I have listed their scheduled meetings below. If one is in your area, and you decide to attend and observe, please give me your perspective on the meeting. You can email me.

These are the meetings they have presently scheduled:

Tuesday, November 15
6:30 p.m.-8 p.m.
Clover Park Tech College
4500 Steilacoom Blvd. SW Vancouver
Thursday, November 17
6 p.m.-8 p.m.
YWCA Clark County
3609 Main St.

Gig Harbor
Thursday, November 17
6:30 p.m.-8 p.m.
United Methodist Church
7400 Pioneer Way

Sunday, November 20
3p.m.-5 p.m.
St. Mark's Cathedral Bloedel Hall
1245 10th Ave. E

Monday, November 21
7 p.m.-9 p.m.
East Shore Unitarian Church
12700 Southeast 32nd St.

Richland (Tri-Cities)
Monday, November 21
6:30 p.m.-8 p.m.
Shalom United Church of Christ
505 McMurray St.

Tuesday, November 22
6:30 p.m.-8 p.m.
Spokane Falls Community College; Bldg. 24, Rm. 110
3410 W Fort George Wright Drive

Tuesday, November 29
6:30 p.m.-8 p.m.
Fairhaven College Auditorium
516 High St.

Be Vigilant. Be Discerning. Be Active. Be Prayerful.

Thank you for your support.

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  1. And what is our side's strategy, city by city, town by town? What are our talking points? What about our publicity campaign and major messages for that campaign?

  2. You really have to be a paranoid and heartless person to believe that the stories of the pain and humiliation gay families endure by being denied marriage are simply part of a clandestine plot coordinated by gay groups and somehow all of the media working in concert as part of some secret nefarious plot.

    You would also have to have little faith in the power and the joys of marriage in order to believe that these painful stories are nothing but sincere.

    Tony in Seattle

  3. Tony. The media is in fact working in harmony with the same-sex marriage campaign. They are publicly advocating for it. I don't see Gary suggesting that gays are insincere, he is pointing to the KING 5 story and quoting them and other leaders.Rod Hearne is the one describing how these family stories will be used, not Gary. Take a glance in the mirror if you are looking for someone who is paranoid. This is a matter of two different beliefs and philosophies.

  4. @5:01... If you think gay groups are powerful enough to get literally thousands of disparate media organizations across the state to work "in harmony" to pass same-sex marriage, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

    What frustrates you and Gary about these stories of families and people who are hurt by discriminatory and hateful laws is that when people know the harm they are causing real people, then tend to want to stop. It's the media's role to report on this, and that doesn't make it a conspiracy.

    That's why Gary calls us "perverts" and describes our families as a "behavior." It dehumanizes us and turns us into others. Gary will get plenty of time to do that in the media, too. Sorry if this doesn't gel with what's really going on in the gay families in your neighborhood and town, but we all chose our own sides in this debate.

    What's incredible is that you cannot grasp why on earth gay people would want to solidify our commitments in marriage, when you claim to cherish marriage so much yourself. What's even more incredible is that you expect all gay families to forego marriage to satisfy your own personal religious views of morality.

    Tony in Seattle

  5. Can you imagine the howls of outrage that would come from Gary and his ilk if Faith and Freedom were holding a series of anti-marriage townhalls and Equal Rights Washington posted the times and locations, encouraging thier readers to attend?


  6. anon 7:11- Where is Gary encouraging us to attend Murray's meetings? I reread his comments and he said if you decide to attend and observe let me know about it. Your hate is blinding you.

  7. Tony,

    You can sing your story all day long but it will not change the truth of what is going on in the 'gay' (anything but gay) community. You 'preach' your tolerance here (yet have NO tolerance for another view) but the chances of ONE homosexual person being consistently committed to another is 1 in 9000! Most people posting here haven't been close to the community to say BS to your ploys but I have seen it first hand. What a line of garbage!

    The whole movement is just full of lies. I could go on but let me share just a touch of real life research and statistics. And if you want to hear more I'll tell you about my loved ones and their real life stories. To find the story of this dear daughter is 1 in a million, as the say. It just so happens that I have a cousin who probably fits that bill....but then I don't REALLY know them that well to testify to their monogamy.

    Source: 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census

    · In The Sexual Organization of the City, University of Chicago sociologist Edward Laumann argues that "typical gay city inhabitants spend most of their adult lives in 'transactional' relationships, or short-term commitments of less than six months."[5]

    · A study of homosexual men in the Netherlands published in the journal AIDS found that the "duration of steady partnerships" was 1.5 years.[6]

    · In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."[7]

    · In Male and Female Homosexuality, Saghir and Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[8]

    Lest anyone suffer the illusion that any equivalency between the sexual practices of homosexual relationships and traditional marriage exists, the statistics regarding sexual fidelity within marriage are revealing:

    Married couples

    · A nationally representative survey of 884 men and 1,288 women published in the Journal of Sex Research found that 77 percent of married men and 88 percent of married women had remained faithful to their marriage vows.[9]

    · A 1997 national survey appearing in The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States found that 75 percent of husbands and 85 percent of wives never had sexual relations outside of marriage.[10]

    Male Homosexuals

    Research indicates that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:

    · The Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, which was published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner had an average of eight sexual partners per year.[12]

    · Bell and Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having one thousand or more sex partners.[13]
    The Handbook of Family Diversity reported a study in which "many self-described 'monogamous' couples reported an average of three to five partners in the past year. Blasband and Peplau (1985) observed a similar pattern."[17]

    (Had lots more but my message was limited.)

    Then, you want us to consider that homosexual behavior is normal and something the rest of us who realize - again, from experience - it is a choice, to accept as if you are helpless. Oh my word, talk about selling the bridge. You have to be kidding. Have you gone to a bar in Seattle, heck, Renton. Sure looks like lots of commitment (not). How about the sign on a Spokane bar "New meat requested" Gosh, I wonder what kind of a bar that is??? Commitment. Are you really expecting those of us who have been there and seen it to buy this garbage?

  8. @7:21

    " If one is in your area, and you decide to attend and observe, please give me your perspective on the meeting. You can email me."

    That is a clear indication to attend and report on these meetings, or as Gary would call it had ERW posted the times and places of his meetings "conduct surveillance" or perhaps "harass and intimidate". Heck if you put this post in the hands of Protect Marriage WA's crack legal team, it would likely be termed a "death threat".

    I do not hate Gary, I love him, I'm just standing firm on my conviction that anti-gay bigotry is a moral wrong.

  9. @7:49 PM,

    If you are going to cut and paste dishonest drivel from an anti-gay hate group like FRC you should 1. credit your sources, since not doing so is plagerism; and 2. 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census is the source for the graph that just above where you started copying FRC's anti-gay lies, it's completely unrelated to what you posted.

    Have you never been to a straight bar? Been to Cowgirls in Seattle? Or Dante's in Kirkland? Those places are just overflowing with committed couples- NOT!

  10. 7:49

    Good stuff! Thanks for the info.

  11. The post is giving credit to the source.

    And look again into the mirror. You would immediately condemn FRC or any other organization that does not agree with you. THEN you completely ignore the truth of the statistics.

    Of course there are meat market bars for straights, but look at the truth and stop trying to con us all. You can con some of the people but you refuse to look at the truth

  12. @9:06 AM,

    Claiming that post is properly sourced only serves to highlight your ignorance.

    Not only does the poster not state that the anti-gay hate site FRC is the source, but if you look at the end of each item you'll see footnote numbers, but no footnotes are provided.

    I didn't ignore the "statistics", I noted that they are from an extremely unreliable source. It has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not. If someone had posted "facts" on blacks from the KKK, I wouldn't need to examine and refute each item to know it was unreliable. Same thing, different bigotry.

    Only one trying to con anyone is you, and your sloppy cut and paste jobs from anti-gay hate groups.


  13. My whole post was created because I can't stand the lies you are trying to push off as truth. Having been in the community, I know better than all you are saying. You are full of lies and trying to just wear people down with your repetitive attacks. I am prejudice against lies that is for sure. I still have some significant friends in the community who are the best people but they will admit that the community is NOT anything like you wish to portray.

    So see if you can manage to stay with the debate standards and refute the statistics or refute the arguement. See if you can get some from your trusted sources as to HOW many homosexuals have consistent long term commitments.

    I tire of reading YOUR drivel and it is easy to see why most 'sane' folk don't bother to post the truth when your tiresome attacks are against the poster/source but don't present a true argument.

    As several posters have commented you quite adequately make my point with your tiresome responses.

  14. My partner and I attended the meeting yesterday at St. Marks. It was a wonderful time with 200+ attendees from all generations, gay and straight, sharing a common belief in marriage equality. Our church recognizes and performs same-sex marriages and after yesterday's meeting we are so hopeful that soon we will be able to marry legally in Washington State. Thanks Gary for getting the word out about the meetings. Every little bit helps! Jeff in Seattle


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