Monday, April 30, 2012

D. Savage To High School Convention: "Ignore Bull Sh_ _ In The Bible"

Two weeks ago, Dan Savage, a columnist for Seattle's "The Stranger" newspaper, was the keynote speaker for the National High School Journalism Convention in Seattle. Several thousand high school students and their teachers and advisers from around the country were in attendance.

Savage's first comment was, "I hope you're all using birth control." It went downhill from there.

Following his opening comments, he began an attack on the Bible and those kids who believe in biblical values in ways you have likely never heard. All under the umbrella of public education.

He said, "There are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong."

He told the kids the Bible is wrong.

He continued, "We can learn to ignore the bull sh_ _ in the Bible about gay people."

He continued to blaspheme the Bible and Scripture in ways that will shock the most nominal Christian and grieve the heart and spirit of any biblical believer in Jesus Christ.

He mocked the Christian kids who began to walk out of the convention and called them "panty-assed."

Some educators were questioning why this man would have been invited as the keynote speaker.

One of our regular readers, a former journalist, contacted the leadership directly. He has been keeping me informed of their responses.

I also have a video copy of Savage's attack on the Bible, Christianity and the Christian kids in attendance. Notice how the Christian kids are mocked and jeered as they walk out of the convention. The only thing missing is the lions.

I want every Christian, every parent and every grandparent to read the response from those who chose Savage to speak. And to see the video of him attacking our kids and our Christian beliefs.

We have been following this for the past two weeks. We are looking at what options we may have in any substantive response.

Our reader, I'll refer to him as "Faith and Freedom Reader" first contacted the Journalism Education Association and began to ask questions.

First this:

Dear JEA Administration,


I would like to know if Dan Savage was vetted prior to being chosen as a keynote speaker for the Seattle conference. If so, by whom?


Thank you,
XXXXX

A Kelly Furnas responded with this:

Hi, XXXX, Thanks for reaching out. Our keynotes are selected by a committee, but I'd be happy to be your point of contact to answer any specific questions you might have.


/ krf

Faith and Freedom Reader responded with this:

Thank you Kelly,


Can you please describe the vetting process used to decide who would be an appropriate candidate as a keynote speaker and if their dialog is reviewed prior to engaging groups of adolescents?


Thank you,
XXXX


Kelly Furnas responded with this:

The committee looks for a local individual involved in media or a newsmaker our students can report on, preferably with some level of name recognition. When we reach out to them, we explain the audience that the keynote is for and agree on a topic.


/ krf

Clearly it was an intentional choice. The several thousand attendees and their teachers and advisors had been told the subject would be on "Bullying."


Please take 3 minutes to watch the video.


Rick Tuttle, the journalism adviser for Sutter Union High School in California, was among the several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing – but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs."

Indeed it did.

But it was, in fact, about bullying.

There is not a more clear example of where public education stands in regard to Christians, biblical beliefs and those who hold them than this episode. Dialog in the classroom is generally more restrained, but given the chance, homosexual activists will choose a Dan Savage to tell your kids how they really feel.

The Christian kids were bullied, mocked and scorned because of their beliefs. The next time a teacher stands at a PTSA meeting and explains that public education is morality neutral and they only want to give the kids information on all sides of certain moral issues, replay this video and think about who is educating your child.

May God help us.

Be Vigilant. Be Discerning. Be Informed. Be Prayerful. Be Active Be Blessed.

37 comments:

  1. My heart rejoices in seeing the brave young army God is raising up to stand for his truth in love! God will be their sheild and protector and by their witness his glory will be lifted up.
    Lynden WA

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  2. Dan Savage revels in being a bigot. He reminds me of Fred Phelps with a better haircut.

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  3. Gary, I knew it was bad, but I had no idea how bad. This was sure part sure wan't covered in the local Seattle news. This takes the idea of children at risk to a whole new level. Thanks.

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  4. It will be interesting to see how the gay activists who are on this blog all the time explain this. Maybe they will be silent. If I were them I would keep my mounth shut. This doesn't match up very well with the normal "gay family next door" image does it?

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  5. This settles it. There is no culture war.

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  6. Loved seeing how many teenagers showed courage!! There is a great generation of kids coming up.

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  7. "The next time a teacher stands at a PTSA meeting and explains that public education is morality neutral.."

    Actually, the JEA/NSPA is not public education. It is an independent private organization no different than an independent organization of Christian high school students would be. If members don't like the activities, they can quit.

    9:13am Everything he said was correct. I'm sure you dislike it, but you can't refute the accuracy of what he said. After being labeled a 'perve' and sinner by your side, I applaud him for fighting back and pointing out the truth.

    9:14am So it only becomes war when the victim fights back?

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    1. The victims didn't fight back. They walked away and were vilified for it. I wonder what Savage would have said if one of them had invited him to back up his insults outside. He's mighty brave when it comes to standing in the face of thunderous applause.

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  8. 9:41 AM, I am so sorry you have had a bad experience by some people. No matter what you do, God still loves you and cares about you. I pray soon you will experience God's love for you.

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    1. I haven't been mistreated, I'm not gay, I just have empathy for those who are mistreated.

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  9. 9:41 "Actually, the JEA/NSPA is not public education"
    Yeah, ACORN, Media Matters, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN,George Soros, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, GLSEN, etc., etc., are not the official Obama re-election campaign committee either.

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    1. 'public education' refers to schools funded and maintained by local communities, not private organizations. Also, do a little research and you'll find that the national media has actually been kinder to Romney than Obama.

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  10. As a parent and if I was present at this event, or one of my children attended it, I would seriously think about filing a complaint with the Washington State Human Rights Commission based upon our creed/religious discrimination and hotile treatment of a particular class of people creating fear and intimidation. He did it at a public school sponsored at a pulblic event in which government has to take a position of nuetrality in accomodation. I am not a legal person, but scanning their website, to me, Dan Savage has come very close to some of the violations mentioned:

    http://www.hum.wa.gov/index.html
    1-800-233-3247

    Church, let's not be silent on this issue, especially when our children are being harrassed! JK

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    1. Your complaints would be off the mark. He complained about a book and how some people interpret what it says, that's all. Dan was just talking about the hypocrisy of ignoring parts of the Bible but being obsessed with others. No condemnation of any religion or class of people happened.

      Many Christians realize that much of the Bible is contextual as has been mentioned in this very forum. Pointing that out is not against any state statute.

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  11. It will be interesting to see how the gay activists who are on this blog all the time explain this.
    Explain what? Not tonally different the the stuff Hutcherson spews all the time. Dan Savage is a professional gadfly provocateur - that's his job. And strong language aside his point was that if people can ignore some bible commandments then they can the ones they think condemn being gay too.

    Not very doctrinally sound or a useful position for changing minds but again, but then 'playing nice with others' isn't how he has ever done his job in any venue.

    I find Dan Savage annoying, don't read his column much because of all the sarcasm and 'put down' humor, and figure he was keynote only because he was 1) edgy 2) local and available and 3) works in the publishing industry.

    It was a private organization with the speakers of their own choosing, just like the meetings your side have. And when I see you dealing with the 'logs' of Hutcherson and the like I'll be more worried about the 'specks' like Savage.

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  12. And while THEIR Christian kids are being harassed by fellow students and teachers at school, Christian parents and clergy sit on their hands and tape their mouths shut? Disgusting. The LORD never directs parents to hand their precious children over to the lions to be eaten! Actually, he used a whip to drive brazen lawbreaking defilers from the church! Get busy and have "an uncomfortable conversation" with teachers and staff who persecute your children and who are teaching that gay sex is "good"! No one is asking Christians to use a whip.....but how about speaking up and "Just say no" to gay sex? Cindy Zapotocky, Spokane

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    1. Cindy, can you provide us with so much as a single documented instance of Christian students for being Chistian?

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  13. Simply stated, Savage victimized these children. Not just the ones who walked out, all of them.
    There is no dispute if homosexuality is a perversion or sinful. The question is only if it is to be accepted as a societal normal. Most people are inherently repulsed by homosexual behavior, like many items defined as sin. This one is particularly repulsive to those who are not draw to it because it goes against every impulse known to them, often filling them with physical revulsion.
    As Christians, we are to love everyone. The sick, the healthy, the poor, the rich, etc. regardless of their sin. This does NOT, however, mean that we are to, or should, accept or tolerate the sin. Admittedly, many Christians are so repulsed by homosexuality that they immediately react out of impulse, forgetting for the moment that they are reacting to a person they are to do their best to love. So, I will agree in the sense that Christians could be more loving in their reactions, but still should not tolerate overt acts of sin. He is not pointing out Truth as Truth is held, he is pointing out his own beliefs, cobbled around the justification for his own perversion and the belief that others should accept it as a part of him and that to not accept his flagrant, in your face, brand of homosexuality is not acceptable to him.
    These children (and assuredly their parents) were not presented with the foreknowledge of his deviant tirade. This was to be a session on bullying for high school students to learn precepts of journalism. The topic was to do with bullying and media. Savage certainly proved a point, there is bullying in the media… and he is front and center, as today's bullying will be done by him.

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  14. @9:13

    Well, this "gay activist" (apparently being openly gay makes one an activist), thinks that while Mr Savage has a very good a perfectly valid point about the cafeteria, pick and choose attitude many Christians show towards Leviticus, his choice of language was inappropriate and calling those, who walked out pansy-a**** was wrong. Of course, Mr Savage, already posted an apology for the language on the Stranger's blog yesterday - I'll assume that Gary was unaware of this, and that's why it isn't posted, linked or even mentioned here.

    Furthermore, I do not believe that those children walking out are shocked, stunned or outraged in the least. Looking at the video, not a single looks even mildly miffed, most are beaming with smiles, and many are laughing and giggling with their friends. Further more the walkout started before Dan said anything that could be reasonably construed as critical of Christianity or the bible. In my opinion, there is a high likelihood that this walk-out was pre-planned by some of the Christian school group in attendance. Shame on Dan for giving them an excuse.

    I do find the contrast between the Christian reaction to Mr Savage's speech before an extra-curricular, entirely voluntary attendance convention, and the lack or reaction or even support those same folks expressed a month earlier when Bradlee Dean and his You Can Run but You Can't Hide ministries berated and bullied LGBT students at a MANDATORY anti-bullying assembly. Since links aren't allowed you'll have to google "Bradlee Dean Dunkerton High School" to find out more - note that Gary and this blog didn't see fit to mention the incident at all.

    Even the way the two parties involved handled the controversy is revealing. While Dan Savage issued and apology, Dean's ministry flat out lied to public claiming that what anyone can watch on video with their own eyes, never took place.

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  15. Contact the state office of superintendent instruction. Let them know that any speaking engagements from Dan Savage are to be public, and let us hold them accountable for fair treatment.

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  16. What if a clergy was there speaking and then began railing on the gay community or using the bible to defend his position? The gay community would be outraged and drag him into court.

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    1. And Gary and his ilk would be lauding the bravery of the clergy member. Which is pretty much what happened when Bradlee Dean's "ministry" went into anti-gay, anti-feminist and anti-abortion rants at what had been sold as an anti-bullying workshop at Dunkerton HS, notably this took place during school hours and was mandatory.

      For comparison, Savage has apologized, Dean continues to lie about thing for which there is video proof. I'll take Savage over the so-called Christian Dean any day!

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    2. Zimmerman apologized too, how'd that work out for him.

      Craig in Lacey

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    3. A lot better than it worked out for the DEAD teenager he killed.

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  17. The above article, nor the comments actually address the point that was made in his speech.

    His point was that the Bible got slavery wrong. The bible does condone slavery - fact.

    Therefore the Bible is just as wrong about homosexuality, regarding the human rights of people to do as they wish.

    Just because your religion tells you something is immoral, doesn't mean you can take that right away from someone else.

    You can bad-mouth them all you want, but its not going to change their behavior. Gay people are more joyful and fun than any Christian group I've met, and more accepting, loving, and inclusive as well. The religion your parent's brought you up in is actually discriminatory against homosexuals, just as it condoned slavery hundreds of years ago.

    Talking bad about any religion, including Christianity, is not illegal in any way.

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    1. It's also discriminatory against promiscuity, adultery, bestiality, incest, murder, rape, lying, stealing, fornication, idolatry, coveting, hate, greed, selfishness, envy, slavery (yes, even slavery as it was practiced in this country), etc., etc. and God is not mocked. We will all give an account for every word out of our mouths. We should strive to speak accordingly.

      Craig in Lacey

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  18. I would seriously file a complaint with the Washington State Human Rights Commission, State Board of Education, State Attorney General, Seattle Times and any other organization that took Tax dollars and promoted this type of harrassment on our school children, parents and other teachers. Based upon our creed/religious discrimination and hotile treatment of a particular class of people creating fear and intimidation is out of touch with what our school system should provide. He did it at a public school sponsored at a pulblic event in which government has to take a position of nuetrality in accomodation. Dan Savage has violated our schools and freedom of speech by attacking our children. Faith and Freedom, take up the flag, wave the Bible, our Constitutional right to protect our children. Ask the State Congress to cut funds to any school that violates our ability to feel "good" about sending our children to school to learn morals and freedoms that are upstanding and take responsibility for their actions. We as parents cannot sit idly by and not say or do anything to protect our children. A legal course of action should be taken against the Seattle Times to stop this type of "representation of good journalism."
    This is witchcraft at it's peak.

    http://www.hum.wa.gov/index.html
    1-800-233-3247

    Church, let's not be silent on this issue, especially when our children are being harrassed! JK

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    1. Wow well written demagogy but:
      This is a private organization that held the convention at the convention center.
      The same rights you are claiming for the attendees are had by Dan Savage.

      Calling and complaining about things that didn't happen about speech that is just as covered as any other from discrimination will just make the caller look foolish.

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  19. They may have "said" they wanted someone to come talk about bullying, but what they ended up asking for was someone who they thought could come in and ATTACK.

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  20. It is certainly not illegal, just distasteful.

    Actually the Bible doesn't condone the kidnapping of people for slavery, which is what was practiced in this country and many others. There's a big difference between a bond-servant and a slave. What is does teach is mutual respect between slave and master. If you check Exodus, you'll see God held Pharoah accountable for his enslavement and mistreatment of the Israelites, cost him bigtime. Onesimus was a runaway slave, Paul brokered peace between him and his master and ordered the master to receive Onesimus back as a brother in Christ.

    See, this is what happens when people who don't study the Bible use it to justify their actions(slavery) or their comments.

    The Bible is very clear on God's purpose for sexual relations and the circumstances thereof; there is no misunderstanding the intent unless you are dead set on accepting Satan's lie, "you can become as God's, knowing good from evil"

    The Bible takes away the right of people to do lots of things. Just because they believe it's moral in their own mind doesn't excuse the behavior.

    Christians are commanded to love the sinner, not the sin.

    As for the speaker, he had a right to mouth off, the kids had the right to walk out. Good for them

    Craig in Lacey

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  21. I would seriously file a complaint with the Washington State Human Rights Commission, State Board of Education, State Attorney General, Seattle Times and any other organization that took Tax dollars and promoted this type of harrassment on our school children, parents and other teachers. Based upon our creed/religious discrimination and hotile treatment of a particular class of people creating fear and intimidation is out of touch with what our school system should provide. He did it at a public school sponsored at a pulblic event in which government has to take a position of nuetrality in accomodation. Dan Savage has violated our schools and freedom of speech by attacking our children. Faith and Freedom, take up the flag, wave the Bible, our Constitutional right to protect our children. Ask the State Congress to cut funds to any school that violates our ability to feel "good" about sending our children to school to learn morals and freedoms that are upstanding and take responsibility for their actions. We as parents cannot sit idly by and not say or do anything to protect our children. A legal course of action should be taken against the Seattle Times to stop this type of "representation of good journalism."
    This is witchcraft at it's peak.

    Church, let's not be silent on this issue, especially when our children are being harrassed! JK

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    1. I tried to file a complaint but there was a witch at the other end and she just pretended to take me seriously!

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    2. I find that is often easier to treat a fool in such a manner.

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    3. 'witch' 'pretended' hmmmm...

      Seriously though what do you think they can do:
      ✞ It was a private function in a non-government space.
      ✞ It was a rant about how some interpret the Bible, not about any particular group or individuals.
      ✞ And there is nothing illegal about being rude no matter the age of the people you are being rude towards.

      You made a compliant about something that isn't illegal to an organization that has no jurisdiction over the situation anyway.

      How would you deal with that?

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  22. Well, let us keeping living the way God wants us to and pray for those who dont like our God or the Word of God. I guess it is right when it says that if we desire to live Godly in this age that we will be persecuted.

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    1. Jon, the issue is not you trying to live your religion personally, rather it's a reaction to your forcing it on everyone else. You have a twisted sense of persecution. You tell others how to live their own personal lives, and then play the victim when they react.

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  23. Praise God for the maturity of these students to stand and dust the sand from their feet. This individual seems to point out particular Scriptures just as the Pharisees did in Jesus' time to attempt to trip up Jesus. What we must remember - we do not war against flesh and blood but rather it's a battle in the spiritual realm. The battle is the LORD's we are to be lights in the world not to be of the world fighting unneccessarily. The vicotry is won...remember - homosexuallity is nothing new...speak the truth in love and let God's word penetrate the heart.

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