Monday, July 29, 2013

WA Representatives Vote To Fund Atheist Chaplains

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The war on Christians and Christianity rages on.

The United States Military is one of several fronts in this war.

Friday I wrote a blog about the recent attack on Chaplain Lt. Col. Reyes at the Air Force base in Alaska.

Chaplain Reyes wrote an inspirational Christian essay on the base website. Atheists immediately contacted the Pentagon and within 4 hours, the Air Force had removed the essay and reprimanded the chaplain.

National atheist groups are now demanding more. They say the reprimand was not enough---Reyes must be further punished.

Now we have learned that there has been an effort in Congress to fund "atheist chaplains."

And several Washington State Representatives supported the idea.

Rep. Rob Andrews D-N.J. proposed an amendment to the bill that authorizes the US military budget that could have authorized the funding and hiring of "atheist" chaplains.

The amendment read, "The Secretary of Defense shall provide for the appointment as officers in the Chaplain Corps of the Armed Forces, of persons who are certified or ordained by non-theistic organizations and institutions, such as humanist, ethical culturalists or atheists."

Clearly this was an attempt to reclassify atheism and secularism as a "religion" in order to exploit those who serve in defense of our country in some of their most vulnerable circumstances.

Thankfully, Rep. John Fleming, R-La., rose to the occasion with an amendment of his own. One that defines what a chaplain actually is. And it's not an atheist.

Fleming told his colleagues in the House of Representatives, "When it comes to the idea of an atheist chaplain, which is oxymoron---it is self-contradictory---what you're really doing is now saying that we're going to replace true chaplains with non-chaplain chaplains."

Fleming's amendment defines a chaplain as "a minister of the faith...someone who believes in a deity of a spiritual life who is assigned to a secular organization."

Fortunately Fleming's amendment passed with 227 Republicans and 26 Democrats voting in favor.

However, this reveals a couple of very troubling facts.

It's troubling that we are at this point in our country. America is exceptional because our Founders saw us as "A City on a Hill," an exceptional nation---a nation of exceptional destiny. And generations that followed embraced that vision. Now two or three percent minorities are remaking and redefining America and the principles and values upon which we were founded.

It's specifically troubling to see Washington state representatives voting against Fleming's amendment in order to favor legitimizing "atheist" chaplains.

I reviewed the roll call vote on Fleming's amendment.

Keep in mind a "Yes" vote on Fleming's amendment opposes "atheist, humanist and ethical culturalists" from becoming chaplains.

A "No" vote on Fleming's amendment essentially supports redefining the chaplaincy to include and fund the hiring of secularists and atheists as "chaplains."

Here's how WA State's Representatives voted:

Jamie Herrera Butler--Didn't vote.

Cathy McMorris Rodgers--Yes.

Dave Reichert--Yes.

Jim McDermott--No.

Doc Hastings--Yes.

Rick Larsen--No.

Derek Kilmer--Yes.

Adam Smith--No.

Suzan DelBene--No.

On May 2, 1778, General George Washington told his troops at Valley Forge, "While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to laud the more distinguished character of Christian."

At the most recent National Day of Prayer event, Rear Admiral William Lee said, "Leaders like myself are feeling the constraints of rules and regulations and guidance issued by lawyers that put us in a tighter and tighter box regarding our constitutional right to express our religious faith."

I will be talking about this and spiritual warfare on the radio today live at 9 AM PDT and rebroadcast at 7:30 PM PDT.

Be Vigilant. Be Discerning. Be Strong. Be Prayerful. Be Blessed.


  1. Sorry but defining a chaplain to require a 'deity' is a violation of the first amendment and wouldn't survive even the lowest level federal challenge.

    So many of these latest losses for your side is because they are coming from emotion rather than reason, this is yet another.

  2. Yeah,calling an atheist a chaplain is the same as calling a woman a husband or a man a wife. Common sense and reason has escaped us. Thanks Gary.

  3. Thank you Gary for standing with the truth and basic common sense as 8:39 stated.

    7:46 - I have been praying for you for quite some time and I will continue to do so. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will not be mocked or blasphemed. May you humble yourself and repent and accept Yeshua, the perfect Lamb of God as your Savior.

    As for our "losses", it states in the Bible that the end times will be as evil as the days of Noah. So, the downward fall of America and the world comes as no surprise to believers. We do not lose heart or give up because of this. Why? Because we know that through Yeshua we have the victory! Will we keep fighting for Biblical principles and truth? Yes we will!!!

    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Ephesians 6:11

    1. Thank you for your prayers and I hope you too are forgiven by God. The haughtiness and judgmental attitudes that have caused too many calling themselves Christian to usurp God's authority is an indication of the fall. It was just such behavior that made Lucifer fall from grace. Jesus didn't correct other faiths or cultures, only those who claimed they served God with whited hearts judging others harshly - so will they be judged.

      Again, chaplains used to respect the beliefs of all service members, not just their denomination. It is this growing narrow-mindedness like the Pharisees of Jesus' day that is more concerned with religious rules a laws than they are true biblical Grace that is a bellwether of a coming disaster.

  4. An atheist chaplain? Never heard of such a thing. Maybe they mean scientist.

  5. I agree there are those who can be prideful, it is a common problem of all mankind. However, I believe much of the "haughtiness" you see in Christians is actually confidence and boldness.

    "Since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand." Romans 5:1&2

    "Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need." Hebrews 4:16

    "Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful." Hebrews 10:19-22

    As for Jesus correcting the faith of others or having a problem with other faiths, look at II John 1:7-11.

    "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him."

    That is pretty clear and there are others like it as well.

    1. No issues with the first parts and the last is about a sect that was saying Jesus didnt resurrect in the flesh. I do note that none of them were from things Jesus said during His life. I do find that interesting in regards to what scriptures attract which people.

    2. News flash Oshtur! Jesus did say that during His life. He was only absent life for 3 days, other than that he has always been alive.

      You do know that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and since Jesus is the Word of God (John 1), it is He who speaks throughout the Bible.

      As for 'atheist' chaplains, that makes about as much sense as 'gay nazis for Christ'.

      Just wait, we'll have wiccan chaplains, church of satan chaplains, druid chaplains, rastafarian chaplans, voodoo chaplains, etc....... Hope I didn't miss anyone, that would make me a bigot, intolerant, old-fashioned, blah, blah, blah....

      Hogwash, denying a chaplain his first amendment right to speak about his faith is a violation and he should sue.

      Craig in Lacey

    3. Craig, to say that Jesus said everything in the Bible is pretty silly - He 'said' some pretty flakey things then. No God is the editor of the Bible, but what Moses said is what Moses said, what Cain said is what Cain said, and what Jesus said is what Jesus said. Biblical inerrancy is not authorship or infallibility for many faiths.

      And there are Buddhist chaplains, and maybe even a Wiccan. But you do bring up good points - as you know chaplains help Wiccan service members with reserving on base service times, set up areas for their services, and help them regardless of their own denomination's beliefs - its there job. When I was in the Army the post chaplain had to do the same for service members who were in the Church of Satan, again that's a chaplain's job.

      And of course a chaplain has a first amendment right to speak as he wishes and one that speaks in ways contrary to the job he has signed up to do can be disciplined for it. That is always the mistake you guys make - there is a first amendment right to speak, not to speak without consequences. A chaplain who doesn't acknowledge the right of every service menber to NOT be their religion isn't doing their job. A chaplain that doesn't respect and care about the service members who are not their faith isn't doing their job. A chaplain who isn't helping any service member to fulfill their spiritual needs as they see them isn't doing their job.

      People who don't do their jobs are often replaced by people that do.

    4. Who said anything about whether other faiths accept the divine authorship of the Bible. I didn't say Jesus 'spoke' every word in the Bible, only that when God speaks, it's Jesus. He is the very "Word Of God" (John 1). Oshtur, a Christians first duty is found in Matt. 28:19, doesn't matter what walk of life they're in, and yes, they can expect to be persecuted for it.

      "therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

      When did this guy deny someone's right to believe as they wished? He spoke up for his own beliefs and the Lord will reward him for his faithfulness. If the atheists don't like the message, don't listen.
      Just like I don't listen when they speak.

      A lawyer signs up to practice law, a doctor to practice medicine, etc.. If they are Christians, their first responsibility is to Christ and the message of the Gospel, that's what you atheists fail to understand. For Christians not to fulfill the Great Commision is to deny Jesus as Lord and Savior.

      Do you know what He said about such people? If we deny Him before men, He will deny us before the Father. Not something to be trifled with.

      Eternity is a long time to think about what you should have done.

      Craig in Lacey

    5. And if they can't do their job as a chaplain and fulfill their interpretation of their faith then they shouldn't be chaplains. They are representatives of the federal government that cannot put one faith above another

    6. 1. Where does it say that in the U.S. Constitution?

      2. Christ made no distinction concerning our employment, we either serve him or we don't.

      Craig in Lacey

  6. How dare these American soldiers ask for someone to help them seek moral and spiritual guidance in accord with their own beliefs? Only Christian soldiers are entitled to that. Who do these soldiers think they are? They can just deal with the stress of combat and military life on their own.

    Yours in Christian love -


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