Wednesday, April 08, 2009

Rick Warren's Comments are Troubling

Rick Warren seemed to be apologizing to Larry King Monday evening for supporting Proposition 8 in California. He said his supportive comments were only made at the last moment and in response to a question from someone who attends his church.

There is no social issue that is more defining for biblical Christians than that of marriage and life.

The Bible is incredibly clear on these two issues.

"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." Gen. 2:24

"Each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband." 1 Corth. 7:2

"Thou shalt not kill." Ex. 20:13

It seemed that Pastor Warren was trying to distance himself from the marriage issue.

I have had a great deal of respect for Rick Warren and his ministry, however his statements to Larry King are very troubling.

His statements were equally troubling to the other side because they are now accusing him of lying and trying to mislead people.

I have linked to Pam's House Blend. You can read his comments, their comments and see the video of his interview with King.

You can watch the conversation and decide for your self.

Martin Luther once famously said, "If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved."

I am personally disappointed.

God help us.

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Gary Randall
President
Faith & Freedom

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21 comments:

  1. sad--it seems that Rick Warren is attempting to keep his popularity via going along with the world's view! How sad! He 'once' had a wonderful testimony! Prayerfully the 'average' person will see through this. People of faith to pray for him!

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  2. "There is no social issue that is more defining for biblical Christians than that of marriage and life."

    How sad and small that Gary see's the ne plus ultra of his faith as denying women's reproductive freedom and ensuring second class status for gays (although in truth he would change the laws to prosecute and jail gays if he could).

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  3. I think you know better than that.

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  4. 10:45
    That is rediculous! We, with Gary, care for the unborn! We, with Gary, would never attempt to prosecute and jail gays! Let's be real! sigh!

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  5. Peter Heck has hit the nail on the head:
    "Demonstrating the commitment the far left has to elevating the level of civil discourse in our society, belligerent homosexual Congressman Barney Frank recently resorted to name-calling in an interview with the website 365gay.com. Answering a question about the Supreme Court potentially overturning the Defense of Marriage Act, Frank dismissed that possibility saying, "I wouldn't want it to go to the United States Supreme Court now because that homophobe Antonin Scalia has too many votes on this current court." How classy.

    In Frank's warped worldview, anyone who opposes the spread of homosexuality in our culture is a homophobe. This offensive misuse of the term is more than irresponsible. It is ignorant and slanderous.

    Homophobia is defined as a fear or hatred of homosexuals. To pejoratively label anyone who has moral objections to the practice of homosexuality a homophobe is such a blatant overreach that it effectively strips the term of any real meaning. There are homophobes in America today. But who they are just might surprise you.

    To illustrate this, let me first begin by asking a question. When someone you care about picks up a loaded revolver to play a game of Russian Roulette, what is the loving response? To pat them on the back and say, "Well, this wouldn't be my cup of tea, but go for it...it's who you are!"? Or would it be to rip the gun out of their hand and tell them how dangerous, irresponsible, and deadly their behavior is? If you're struggling to answer this question, please stop reading and seek counseling.

    Physically, the consequences of homosexuality are devastatingly apparent. According to the Omega Journal of Death and Dying, the median age of death for homosexual men is between 40 and 43. The median age of death for heterosexuals is between 74 and 80. In 2003, the Centers for Disease Control noted that homosexuals accounted for nearly 65 percent of all new HIV cases (keeping in mind that they make up only 2-3 percent of the entire population), and that cases of Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis A and B, Lymphogranuloma Venereum, and virtually every other sexually transmitted disease disproportionately affected the homosexual community.

    Psychologically, the effects of homosexuality on an individual are just as deplorable. According to the well-respected Archives of General Psychiatry in 1999, "homosexual people are at substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicid(e), major depression, anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence." Further, Dr. N.E. Whitehead from the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuals stated, "Studies show homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals. We see higher rates of suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse." And contrary to the misconceptions advanced by the homosexual lobby, these psychological problems are rarely associated with a stigma they endure from society.

    Spiritually, an unrepentant practicing homosexual is engaging in an activity that is explicitly and unquestionably condemned by both the Old and New Testaments, and is completely irreconcilable with any biblical understanding of Godly living.

    In light of these realities, could someone explain to me how knowing these crippling physical, psychological, and spiritual consequences of the homosexual lifestyle -- and then encouraging a person to embrace it -- is loving? Urging another human being to engage in a risky behavior that will leave them dead at nearly half the age of the general population is an odd definition of love in my book.

    The truth is that the people who love homosexuals are the ones who have the courage to face the bigotry and slander from hate-peddlers like Barney Frank and stand up for moral truth. They are the ones who face the mockery and derision of fools in an effort to take the Russian Roulette pistol from the hand of the homosexual.

    So who is the homophobe, Barney? The gay rights lobby in this country works unceasingly to advertise and glamorize a deadly lifestyle. They celebrate behavior that tears families apart, wrecks homes, and sentences people to lifetimes of loneliness, confusion, disease, and heartache. And politicians like Barney Frank use their positions to make it easier for them to ensnare and attract hurting, confused people in need of love and help. Quite frankly, I can't think of anything more homophobic than that.

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  6. I have never heard a clear statement from Gary or FFN that they don't think homosexuality should be criminalized. I seem to recall Gary joining the rest of the religious right in condemning the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence Vs Texas that said that laws criminalizing homosexuality were unconstitutional. Did he do this because he doesn't think homosexuality should be illegal?

    Clearly Gary won't push for criminalization of homosexuality in the current political climate, he would be too obviously exposed as a bigot, but given the right political climate, I have no doubt he would. Absent I clear statement from Gary or FFN that homosexuality should not be criminalize, I don't see how anyone can characterize this assumption as anything but realistic. If it is so unreal, where is the simple statement from Gary & FFN?

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  7. I constantly hear from your side that gay marriage would destroy traditional marriage, end procreation, and lead to the end of our civilization.

    You think letting gays out of the closet would do all that, and you're not homophobic? Get real.

    Frank was bit frank, but he was right.

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  8. Maybe Rick Warren just figured he injured the Gospel in the way his beliefs were used by some , regardless whose side they were on , and also his comments . I enjoyed his book and it is obvious he has a heart for God , and wants to share the knowledge and love God offers to all those ask.

    Mick

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  9. 12:13
    No, gay marriages won't end procreation (it won't help, however)and it won't lead to the end of our civilization. We feel that it would 'harm' society, and we are thinking in the 'spritual' realm more than anything! Our future generation would be affected, and many confused children, especially the teen years, when they are impressionable anyway.

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  10. 2:45 PM,

    So your arguing that we should deny same-sex couples and their children rights and benefits, which are undeniably real and concrete, because you feel that allowing them equal rights will "harm" this nation in unspecified ways in the unseen, unproven and unprovable "spiritual" realm.

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  11. 2:45pm

    I've been reading this blog for a long time and I've not seen the nuance from Gary that you do. Gary's threats of dire consequences are much more specific.

    You don't need to be concerned about impressionable teens. Gay is not catching. If your teen is born gay they will know it, just as I have never been attracted to men even though I've been around gays extensively.

    The teens to worry about are the ones born gay who feel that something is wrong with them because the church and much of society tells them that their natural feelings are evil. Consequently, they have a very high suicide rate.

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  12. ICor5:12,13 -

    It is God's job to judge those outside of the Church. The job for those in the Church is to judge the behavior of those in the Church.

    Frankly, with "the spirit of meddling" that is so strong in the Church - I doubt the Church will ever follow this vital Kingdom principle.

    Maybe they just like talking about homosexuality all the time.... strange indeed.

    Best,
    Patrick

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  13. anom 245

    youths that kill themselves that are straight who find their sexuality and the world in general quite confusing and overwhelming are not your fault.

    To think gay marriage will stop gay suicide is quite a leap from any kind of practical understanding of gay suicide , or suicide in general . The fact that gays are bothered by their sexuality iis normal . To say it is not normal to feel different when you are different is a step into denial . How people treat gays or people in general I agree is something we all could work on .


    But your blame others for your own problems appear to be what ills this culture more then this issue .

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  14. The data in the above comment is promulgated by anti-gay "researchers". Just do a little googling on the internet to confirm for yourself.

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  15. Christians, any Christians, make a huge mistake wandering form the center in order to pander to the world. Mainly because they never find their way back to the center. The center is the word of God.

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  16. "It is God's job to judge those outside of the Church. The job for those in the Church is to judge the behavior of those in the Church."

    Patrick that is quite the liberal take on scripture . God judges the heart . We as citizens better being judging BEHAVIOR . Are you telling me a gay Christian has no right to have an opion or advocacy for hate crime legislation . I am against it because indeed of the judging aspect , and treating people equally. But I would not pull scripture out of the hypocracy Book and use it to criticize a person Bibically .
    If course we are to judge behaviors that we see as harmfull or helpfull to society .

    I see no one here except the head of this Facts and Freedom who use scripture more to defend their own political and cultural moral values then you .

    Ever think about taking that plank out of your own eye . When you do this can be quite an interesting conversation among brothers .


    Mick

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  17. 5:14
    People are NOT born 'gay'--is't a choice--period! God 'makes us'--and He don't 'make mistakes'--we are either a Male or Female--period!

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  18. 1:17 pm

    Who said it was a mistake?

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  19. anom 117

    People are born with chemical imbalances , people are born with all sorts of problems . I am sure homosexuals believe this is what they are, activists use it as a slogan , but it has merit never the less . Who would choose to be homosexual ? Health problems , Christian, Muslim, Jewish Bibles all put it in a negative light .

    You can be a generous ioving considerate person " the gays here don't show that " and be gay .

    Thank God for His grace . Figure its been hard enough just raising my kids in this culture.

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  20. The gay rights lobby in this country works unceasingly to advertise and glamorize a deadly lifestyle. They celebrate behavior that tears families apart, wrecks homes, and sentences people to lifetimes of loneliness, confusion, disease, and heartache. And politicians like Barney Frank use their positions to make it easier for them to ensnare and attract hurting, confused people in need of love and help. Quite frankly, I can't think of anything more homophobic than that.

    Wow how twisted is that? A parroting of distorted propaganda from the cream of disreputable sources, Mr. Paul Cameron and Mr. Neil Whitehead, by someone pretending they have but love in their hearts.

    Totally charming.

    Of course even these problems are solvable by monogamous loving marriages, but who in the world should the state treat all citizen's marriages equally even if it would be good for them, good for their families, good for the state and good for society?

    Is there any wonder people like you are driving so many way from the churches you belong to?

    Please keep talking - you just will guarantee the future you are trying to avoid that much sooner.

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  21. "I wouldn't want it to go to the United States Supreme Court now because that homophobe Antonin Scalia has too many votes on this current court."

    Barny is a smuck for sure.. Helps keep the term limits idea alive . Mcdermott here In Washington state or Stevens up in Alaska . People don't want smucks in office , but we have a bad habit of supporting them if they are "our" smucks.

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