Thursday, May 21, 2009

Homosexuality a Choice: APA Agrees

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Homosexuality a Choice: APA Agrees

The American Psychological Society (APA) has released a new brochure, affirming they have been unable to find a "gay-gene".

Although additional research was not identified or even referenced, clearly there is new evidence that has caused them to issue new statements.

It is generally known that there are extensive efforts to prove that people are born homosexual---that homosexuality is simply a biological fait accompli. This is fundamental to most all of the homosexual social agenda. These new statements further affirm that is not the case.

There is no gay gene. There is no simple biological pathway to homosexuality.

The APA had previously said that therapy cannot change sexual orientation. Now their comments are more nuanced on the subject and they are saying there is, "No scientifically adequate research to show that therapy is safe or effective."

However, there is research that does support the conclusion that some people can and do change. It is identified in the link above.

If you do not have time to read anything else today, please take a moment and read the following personal story of Charlene Cothran.

Charlene is a former lesbian leader and editor of VENUS magazine. Her change came, not through therapy, but through a transformational experience with God's love, release and restoration.

She says after 29 years as a lesbian leader in the gay community, "I stand before you today as an epistle of change. I am proof that change is possible in the homosexual community."

If you are involved in the gay lifestyle and have questions or hesitations---read her experience. Take a couple moments in the privacy of this moment and see what she has to say.

Contrary to what you may have been told, Christian leaders, myself included, do not hate gays. We simply know there can be a better way. Take a chance and read Ms Cothran's words.

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18 comments:

  1. Not only is the government encouraging homosexuals to live
    together and pair up, but what they do with their laws about benefits also encourage anyone of
    the same sex to live together as
    the homosexual couples for financal reasons. Maybe they hope
    homosexuality will spead like some
    kind of flu.

    Were it not for our God who reigns
    in the heavenlies with his Son Jesus Christ, our Lord...

    Thanks be to God for keeping America. May he thoroughly cleanse
    her by Jesus Christ.

    God's original plan of having a family will not become of no effect. Though many may become lost, his family will be as the sands of the sea for multitude,
    and the gospel still has the power
    to save to the uttermost.

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  2. From the brochure "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

    So they do not conclude what so ever that it is a choice. They simply say we don't know.

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  3. People who hear voices are not to be trusted. Charlene hears voices.

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  4. From the same APA pamphlet you referenced:

    Heterosexual people who wish to help reduce prejudice and discrimination can examine their own response to antigay stereotypes and prejudice. They can make a point of coming to know lesbian, gay, and bisexual people, and they can work with lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals and communities to combat prejudice and discrimination. Heterosexual individuals are often in a good position to ask other heterosexual people to consider the prejudicial or discriminatory nature of their beliefs and actions. Heterosexual allies can encourage nondiscrimination policies that include sexual orientation. They can work to make coming out safe. When lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people feel free to make public their sexual orientation, heterosexuals are given an opportunity to have personal contact with openly gay people and to perceive them as individuals.

    Studies of prejudice, including prejudice against gay people, consistently show that prejudice declines when members of the majority group interact with members of a minority group. In keeping with this general pattern, one of the most powerful influences on heterosexuals’ acceptance of gay people is having personal contact with an openly gay person. Antigay attitudes are far less common among members of the population who have a close friend or family member who is lesbian or gay, especially if the gay person has directly come out to the heterosexual person.

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  5. Hey guys, click through to the actual pamphlet. The link Gary offered is by a very biased (non-scientific) organization.

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  6. What about therapy intended to change sexual orientation from gay to straight?

    All major national mental health organizations have officially expressed concerns about therapies promoted to modify sexual orientation. To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation (sometimes called reparative or conversion therapy) is safe or effective. Furthermore, it seems likely that the promotion of change therapies reinforces stereotypes and contributes to a negative climate for lesbian, gay, and bisexual persons. This appears to be especially likely for lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals who grow up in more conservative religious settings.

    Helpful responses of a therapist treating an individual who is troubled about her or his samesex attractions include helping that person actively cope with social prejudices against homosexuality, successfully resolve issues associated with and resulting from internal conflicts, and actively lead a happy and satisfying life. Mental health professional organizations call on their members to respect a person’s (client’s) right to selfdetermination; be sensitive to the client’s race, culture, ethnicity, age, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, socioeconomic status, language, and disability status when working with that client; and eliminate biases based on these factors.

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  7. Gary, you mis-understand again. What has changed is a better understanding of the dynamics of sexual orientation and an attempt to use more accurate terminology.

    Simply put, the prefixes of 'homo-' 'hetero-' and 'bi-' sexuality all imply that what's set in your body is the 'orientation' of the gender of the person being attracted to the gender of the person they are attracted to. This isn't the case.

    The actual situation is you have attractions to men, attractions to women, and people attracted to both or neither - the body at no time checks the person's own gender before the attraction happens.

    So there is no 'gay gene' anymore than there is a 'straight gene' - what there more likely is there are 'I like guys' genetics and 'I like gals' genetics. And the question changes from:

    Why did some 'straight' gene get flipped?, to
    What. why and how are the 'I like [a gender]' ones activated in some people and not others?

    And if you read the changes the APA wrote you see that's the base they are trying to cover - the complex nature of sexual orientation, it most definitely doesn't mean its a choice or innate.

    The condensed version is they have found that there is no biological attraction to 'same' or 'opposite', there are only ones to 'boys' or 'girls'. they have found that sexual attraction has some basic differences between men and women, you can't lump them all together when you are talking about them. They have found that some aspects of attraction are dependent on sex hormones and some are not. Interestingly they have found the gene that is related to left-handedness - doesn't cause it, just people who have it are more often left-handed - is also related to sexual orientation in the same way.

    So there is no 'gay' gene but there is no 'straight' one either It is things like this in the continuing discovery process that has changed the brochure to reflect current understanding. Spin this to try and say its a 'choice' if you like but nothing could be further from the truth.

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  8. I would just like to point out that Charlene contradicts herself in her "testimony". In the article that you provide a link to, she says that she was approached by a pastor as she sat in her car at a New Jersey mall. However, on her website she says that she received a call from a local pastor.

    How are we supposed to believe her story if she can't even get the most basic facts straight??

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  9. I believe the blood of Jesus is
    both safe and effective when applied upon a bruised reed, a
    broken spirit, and a contrite
    heart.

    Such has been the prescription
    and the preventive medicine of
    God our healer who is willing to
    comfort and restore all who come
    to him by Jesus.

    Much like a modern antibiotic
    medicine, we should keep taking
    it till it is no more. The everlasting gospel has not lost it's effectiveness, as time will
    tell and God will prove.

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  10. The fact that they haven't yet identified a 'gay' gene is not proof of anything. Consider that they just recently identified what they believe is a 'happiness' gene after all these years. There is a ton left to learn about genetics.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3913328n

    Here's a link to CBS News. This development causes me to believe more than ever that gay has a genetic component.

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  11. As an individual with two degrees in genetics I'd just like to chime in and say the gay-gene research efforts fall under a class of research called "behavioral genetics." Behavioral genetics is a very complicated filed encompassing the search for genes that cause things such as alcoholism, substance abuse, and homosexuality among others.

    Very few genes have been identified in this field to date.

    I take issue with Gary's article NOT for its subject matter but because it appears to characterize what the APA actually says from a scientific perspective. The full answer on the APA brochure says:

    "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

    As a scientist I'll tell there isn't much consensus about ANYTHING - you can find minority and majority views on most every scientific "fact". The APA statement basically says nothing ---- it doesn't affirm a genetic basis or deny it, it doesn't affirm a social or cultural basis or deny it. It basically says "scientists still don't know what is going on here."

    I'd like to highlight the last senetence of teh APA brochure again --- behavioral genetisicts believe in an interplay of gene and environment that results in bahavioral traits. Think of it this way "genes pull the cock lever of a gun.....and then the environemntal factors pull the trigger." Both are necessary for the end result but the geneome is vast and its map has only existed for 6 years.

    I'm not saying which side will prevail on whether a gay gene exists or not.....I'm saying as a scientist its to early to tell. But I'd be saying the same statement if the subject matter where alcoholism, substance abuse, or any other behavior currently being researched.

    Hope this helps!

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  12. Behavioral genetics is a very complicated field encompassing the search for genes that cause things such as alcoholism, substance abuse, and homosexuality among others.

    Very few genes have been identified in this field to date.

    I take issue with Gary's article NOT for its subject matter but because it appears to characterize what the APA actually says from a scientific perspective. The full answer on the APA brochure says:

    "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

    As a scientist I'll tell there isn't much consensus about ANYTHING - you can find minority and majority views on most every scientific "fact". The APA statement basically says nothing ---- it doesn't affirm a genetic basis or deny it, it doesn't affirm a social or cultural basis or deny it. It basically says "scientists still don't know what is going on here."

    I'd like to highlight the last sentence of the APA brochure again --- behavioral geneticists believe in an interplay of gene and environment that results in behavioral traits. Think of it this way "genes pull the cock lever of a gun.....and then the environmental factors pull the trigger." Both are necessary for the end result but the genome is vast and its map has only existed for 6 years.

    I'm not saying which side will prevail on whether a gay gene exists or not.....I'm saying as a scientist its to early to tell. But I'd be saying the same statement if the subject matter where alcoholism, substance abuse, or any other behavior currently being researched.

    Hope this helps!

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  13. I just read that scientists have discovered that religion is a choice, too. Looks like the laws that protect an individual based on his religion should be dismantled.

    I'm going to look into whether "marital status" and "veteran status" are choices, too. I'll get back to you.

    (PS The APA did not conclude that homosexuality is a choice. They concluded that scientists have not discovered all of the factors that might cause it, and that "most people experience little or no choice about their sexual orientation." Funny how all the conservatives leave off that last line.)

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  14. What does it matter? Religion is not genetic.

    Gary, are you saying it's ok to discriminate against people based on religion because religion is a personal choice?

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  15. NOT SURPRISINGLY, the linked article and this blog are outright lying. The authors are just seeking to find a way to distort science to match their ideology.

    The APA pamphlet does not say homosexuality is a choice, and the lack of finding "a gay gene" does not support that conclusion.

    There has been found no "gene for" any number of human conditions. Firtly, we know that genetics is more complicated that that. Secondly, we do not have the scientific skill or resources to be terribly effective in such a search, anyway.

    This ideology WANTS homosexuality, somehow, to be definitively labeled a decision made by homosexuals, because that label allows them to more effectively espose hatred and mal-treatment of such people. Other than that, they have absolutely no interest in what science has to say about the subject.

    Rest assured, if the scientific consensus makes a conclusive finding that does not help their ideology, they will then disavow the science.

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  16. Religion is not genetic, but a choice....but helps a person to have a reason for living, and hopefully, a religion that is peaceful and moral and promoting worship of God, which is above all the purpose of mankind.

    Veterans have made the choice, and it is a good choice that we wish to encourage in them and others.

    Drunkeness is a choice that we choose not to encourage because of its debilitating effects on both the drunkard and others around him.

    Homosexuality is a choice we choose not to encourage because it is not beneficial to anyone....the person making the choice nor anyone in society.

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  17. "Homosexuality is a choice we choose not to encourage because it is not beneficial to anyone....the person making the choice nor anyone in society."

    I know thousands of gays and lesbians, who would disagree with this unsupported assertion.

    I could just as easily claim that religion (esp evangelical christianity) is a choice that is not beneficial to anyone, the person making the choice nor anyone else in society.

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  18. It's a poor heart that never rejoices.

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