Thursday, February 07, 2013

Cake Maker, Cake Maker, Make Me A Cake

"Boy Scout Update: I'm sure you are aware that BSA decided to postpone a decision whether to lift the ban on homosexual members, until May.

It all started when a woman and daughter stopped by "Sweet Cakes by Melissa" in Gresham ,Oregon.

Aaron, Melissa's husband and business partner in the cake shop said, "I did my normal thing, where I asked what the bride and grooms' first names were so I could write it down on the contract."

He says, "She---the girl---giggled a little bit and then informed me it was two brides, at which point, I looked up from my paper, and said..."

It was then that all the assurances we have heard regarding homosexual legislation not imposing or undermining freedom of religious expression, seems to have evaporated.


Aaron says, "I looked up from my paper and said, 'I'm sorry. I hope I didn't waste your time, but we don't do same-sex marriages. We don't believe it is right.'"

With a disgusted look, the two left the cake shop. They want a cake. Aaron and Melissa have certain religious beliefs. So find another cake shop, right?

Actually, no.

"Ten minutes later," Aaron says, "she came back in and told me I got to say my piece and I have a right to my opinion, but she wanted to give me hers."

He said, "OK, go ahead."

The mom explained that she used to share Aaron's beliefs, then her daughter told her she was gay, "then," the mom said she realized that, "God made her daughter that way."

Aaron told the mom, "The Bible doesn't say that."

She told Aaron to read his Bible again. He said she needed to read Leviticus 20:13.

She stormed out of the cake shop. So now its over?

No, not yet.

This is about more than "cake maker, cake maker, make me a cake."

Laurel Bowman has now filed a complaint with the Oregon Department of Justice.

Each time homosexual activists and their surrogates pass laws to redefine marriage, family and the social order in general, they always, with a straight face, assure the people that their latest incremental step will do nothing to undermine or erode their expression of religious freedom.

Matt Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel, says a matter like this should be a slam dunk for religious freedom, but with the way things have been going, it isn't.

No one should be forced to bake a cake if they have deeply held religious reasons not to bake that cake.

Staver says, "In many parts of the country where there is either a sexual orientation or gender identity non-discrimination law, or even worse, a state that sanctions same-sex marriage, that when religious freedom collides with the homosexual agenda, the homosexual agenda, typically has been winning and religious free exercise has been losing.”

If homosexual activists can force a small business owner to bake a cake and cater it to a same-sex wedding that violates the cake maker's religious beliefs, what else can they force biblical Christians to do---or not do?

The state attorney general is considering Bowman's complaint.

Will the cake maker be forced to make the cake? Or will they merely be charged with being discriminatory and intolerant?

I will keep you posted.

Be Vigilant. Be Discerning. Be Informed. Be Prayerful. Be Active. Be Blessed.

35 comments:

  1. It seems that the "other side" has or is taking more God given rights away or are trying to take them away from Christians and our Christian values.
    We must stand firm, pray, take action in a Christain manner and not let them take us down. Our heavenly Father does not ask us to compromise. That is not His way. We know who the real victor is! We are on the victor's side.

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  2. As always, the facts are different than the demagoguery:

    First, this is in Oregon, they don't even have legal marriage equality there, this is not the result of marriage equality.

    Second, this is a business owner discriminating against the beliefs of a customer, the customer's beliefs say that same sex marriage is fine. Everyone who gets a business license knows that they are legally obligated to do business with people regardless of their religion, and some of these people may belief things they don't. This guy isn't being forced to do anything other than what he said he would do when he got the license - follow the law.

    His web site advertises 'cakes for all occasions' well this is one of them, sell the customer the cake regardless of their religious beliefs.

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    1. regarding "second" that this is a business owner discriminating against the beliefs of a customer.?
      sorry, businesses are allowed to determine who they do business with. Else we would not see signs in some places that say "we reserve the right to withhold service....." or what about "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? signs that restaruants routinely put on their doors. It's not about sanitation because the customer isn't preparing the food.

      as for your statement "everyone who gets a business license knows that they are legally obligated to do business with people regardless of their religion..?
      can you cite a state or city statute ? I doubt it. I've had several business licenses and nowhere in the documents that I received did it make that claim.

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  3. I would begin contacting our representatives and say 'you said this was not going to happen, and what are you going to do about it now'? They know exactly the outcome, to bad our electorate is concerned with popular opinion and not principle!

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  4. This will end poorly for everyone. We have turned our back on God and He will eventually pour out His wrath upon us, how much will He take? Lot had to run leaving Sodom, where will we run?

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  5. oster. you are very condescending. gary plainly stated that it was in oregon. we are almost as smart as you and know that oregon doesn't have gay marriage. if gays just want to be left alone to live their lives, why are they now picketing and actually blocking entrance to the bakery. i live near it and i can tell you the gays are out to get this man.

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    1. If that were the case then it wouldn't be blamed on marriage equality then would it?

      If they are picketing they are expressing their feelings about a business that is breaking the law.

      I do agree this case of religious freedom should be a 'slam dunk' - for the customers.

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    2. what law are they breaking exactally ?

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    3. The state civil rights law - can't discriminate against customers because of their religious beliefs (the customer's allow same sex marriage) or their sexual orientation, just like you can't for their race, ethnicity, veteran status, etc.

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  6. You and this baker do Christianity a disservice when you claim that your religious beliefs permit you to discriminate against others in public services.

    I can assure you that this baker is not denying this same-sex couple a cake because their ceremony goes against his religious beliefs. After all, I’m sure he’s made cakes for divorced people who are remarrying, and for couples who've rejected his god or worship another god … or no god at all, who’ve had intercourse before marriage. All of these go against his religious beliefs, yet I’ve never heard of a single Christian baker taking any issue with baking cakes for these “sinners.” I can see no other reason for him to single out this gay couple other than that he carries a dislike for gay people.

    The issue goes both ways. Christianity runs against the moral and religious beliefs of a lot of people in this country, yet it is against the law to discriminate in the public realm against anyone because of their Christian faith. Can you imagine the uproar in the Christian community if a gay (or atheist) baker declined to make a cake for a Christian couple because he\she believed the couple’s Christian faith was morally or religiously objectionable?? Can you imagine if a baker even asked a potential customer if they were “Christian” before accepting the order? The gay or atheist baker would be wrong, as is the Christian baker is in this case, and the Christian community would be up in arms, as they should be.

    If you want Christians to be known as the people who love to pass judgment on customers who walk into their shops by denying them public services, and as hypocrites who want the right to deny services to others even when those others cannot deny services to them, then keep up your good work! You're doing a great job!

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    1. I have no problem with someone denying me a cake, I'll just down the street to the next bakery or the next one or bake my own cake. Problem solved.

      Craig in Lacey

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    2. You can assure me ? On what basis?
      have you gone in to interview this baker? do you know for certain that he has not denied a cake to a divorced couple seeking to remarry another person?
      you stated, " yet I’ve never heard of a single Christian baker taking any issue with baking cakes for these “sinners.”
      I've never heard of this either, but have you considered why this might be?
      perhaps the reason you haven't heard of such a thing is that those people (the other sinners) are not a part of a group that have a political lobby group that trumpets their cause?

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  7. God went ahead and made sure the couple would have a nice cake. Ace of Cakes star Duff Goldman offered to make them one of his amazing cakes for free. It's working out pretty well for them.

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  8. Interesting, I went to post this on Facebook and the caption and Gary's face show, but the narrative portion showing is the first 4 lines of Oshtur Vishanti's comment ....

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    1. This has been a continuing problem between the blog interface and Facebook. If you "Like" us on Facebook, the correct form of the article will appear on your wall and you can share it from there a little easier.

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  9. Well, Oshtur, this is for you and any who wish to listen in: You start off with two accusations; one that Gary is not telling the truth [facts] and then that, by implication, that he is a demogogue. Well, both are wrong. One only has to go to Wikipedia and look up the word, demogogue, to find the truth and see who is the demogogue. We can all do the necessry thinking ourselves without being led to believe lies by those who deny others their freedom of speech and religion and attempting to force others to accept their beliefs. I, for one, praise God for the moral fortitude of this simple baker and his small family in resisting the demands, intimidation and lies of demogogues to force him to do what is against his beliefs. That is the bottom line! More of us should do the same and we probably would not be in this place today. Let me say clearly: standing up for ones beliefs is what this nation did from the start and, I pray, will continue to do despite these assaults.

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    1. I think we should all go buy a cake from this shop.

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  10. The Perils from Vancouver12:18 PM, February 07, 2013

    Well, Oshtur, this is for you and any who wish to listen in: You start off with two accusations; one that Gary is not telling the truth [facts] and then that, by implication, that he is a demogogue. Well, both are wrong. One only has to go to Wikipedia and look up the word, demogogue, to find the truth and see who is the demogogue. We can all do the necessry thinking ourselves without being led to believe lies by those who deny others their freedom of speech and religion and attempting to force others to accept their beliefs. I, for one, praise God for the moral fortitude of this simple baker and his small family in resisting the demands, intimidation and lies of demogogues to force him to do what is against his beliefs. That is the bottom line! More of us should do the same and we probably would not be in this place today. Let me say clearly: standing up for ones beliefs is what this nation did from the start and, I pray, will continue to do despite these assaults.

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    1. Of course you praise him, you are the kind of person a demagogue is addressing:

      a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

      Again, it is the customer's religious freedom under attack here, the business owner willing obligated himself to not discriminate against customers based on their religious beliefs when he got his license.

      This situation isn't a result of legal marriage equality - Oregon doesn't have it. Its not the business owner being unjustly discriminated against because of religion, it is his customer.

      These are the facts and anyone trying to 'whip up' controversy without dealing with them is not using a rationale argument.

      But then it all plays to your prejudices and desires so it all sounds good to you I'm sure.

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    2. sorry dude, being gay is not a religious belief. It's not even a religion.
      so how is this particular customer's "religious belief" being discriminated against ?

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    3. Sorry, but discriminating about a customer's beliefs (the customers believe in same sex marriage) is religious discrimination. It's not sexual orientation discrimination since the sell to gay people otherwise.

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  11. All bible believing Christains must support Aaron, we must send a strong message to everybody in Oregon that Gay Marriage is abomition to GOD.

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  12. Gary,

    R74 became law months ago and is in effect now. When are you going to start reporting on all the terrible, awful, horrible consequences that you promised would occur? How many churches have been shut down? How many have lost their tax exempt status? Has the state department of education issued an edict requiring all kindergartners to learn about gay sex? You promised us that this would happen, so it is time to prove that you aren't a shameless liar.

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    1. Eternity is a long time, especially when you've been warned.

      "You shall not lay with a man as you do with a women, it is an abomination"

      "The fool says in his heart there is no God".

      Craig in Lacey

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  13. Why don't all Christian businesses put signs in the window that say "We Reserve The Right to Refuse Service to Homosexuals".

    Then we would know where to shop and we could support them.

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  14. Regarding: "Can you imagine the uproar in the Christian community if a gay (or atheist) baker declined to make a cake for a Christian couple because he\she believed the couple’s Christian faith was morally or religiously objectionable??"

    Yep, I can totally imagine it. Oh, the horror! The Christian might do something as crazy as saying "Oh, I'm sorry you feel that way, if you'd like to talk about it sometime, give me a call, but for now, I'll just go buy my cake somewhere else. Sorry, and thanks for your time..."

    Can you just imagine? Crazy, I know...

    Mike

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    1. Straight to the point, Mike, I like it.

      I remember when I was a kid that a mom and pop grocery store in our neighborhood had a sign, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". No lawsuits, no picketing, no muss, no fuss.

      I think that's the sign 2:36 P.M. was thinking of. He's right in this, cakes are sold other places, buy one.

      I applaud these owners for standing up for their faith and 1st Amendment Rights. Does anyone know the address of this shop? I'd like to buy a cake, on principle.

      Craig in Lacey

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    2. Yeah, right... I don't buy it.

      Christians, who go apoplectic when a store clerk says "Happy Holidays," would be OK with businesses refusing to serve Christian customers.

      Mike and Craig, you are saying you would be good with removing "religion" from the list of protections in our anti-discrimination laws? I'd love to hear your answer...

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    3. 1:28

      I have never gone apoplectic at " Happy Holidays", I respond with "Merry Christmas" and that's the end of it. Its called freedom of speech, you know, the other part of the 1st Amendment.

      Speaking of the 1st Amendment, I see no requirement in it for me to disavow my religious beliefs to further someone's secular agenda. Regardless, I am called to follow the Bible first, then man-made laws.....if per chance my religious protections were removed, it would not alter my responsibility to God in any way.

      I fully expect to see that happen if I live long enough (removal,that is) because this is Satan's world.

      Jesus said all those who sought to follow Him in spirit and in truth would be persecuted.

      How's that for an answer.....

      Craig in Lacey

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    4. Craig, it's a contradictory answer. I'm trying to figure out which of your two posts you actually agree with.

      In your original post are perfectly fine with removing anti-discrimination protections for religion. You said you'd be happy with bakeries and other businesses discriminating against you for being a Christian.

      But in this post you seem to believe the protections will be removed as a consequence of this being "Satan's world" -- in other words, not a good thing.

      So which is it? Do you support removing religious protection in anti-discrimination laws? Or do you think it would be evil \ wrong to remove the protections?

      A yes or no will do.

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    5. Like I said, whether the legal protections remain or not, I will follow Christ.

      Craig in Lacey

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  15. Just put up a sign..."We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"! The next time I am in Gresham, Ore. I will certainly go out of my way to buy a cake from them!

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    1. The sign should specify homosexuals so that they don't try to sneak in. Or it could say "anyone who does not follow the Word of God".

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  16. 8:51 Sarcasim or just mocking?

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    1. Both. But it's also an honest suggestion, if you don't want to do business with gays or people who don't follow the word of God, I don't want to do business with you either. But, others will flock to you. So be honest about it. Put it up in a BIG sign and we can all make our decisions on where to shop on the same criteria you make your decisions on who to serve.

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